Change and History


"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi

Thursday 7 May 2009

Letter to Whitley Strieber (Alien Abduction researcher and writer)

Hi Whitley , sorry for my bad English, am from Belgium. I just wanted to let you know that i followed a bit your alien investigation and run trough a communion book. And i think you should know about something that started SUDDENLY to rise in numbers in 2000, and that is without any doubt the same experience, indeed technology, i am not sure if this is just AI and human experimentation but i guess it could be, mainly because this experience is camouflaged as more than one thing, it is hiding, to stay secret ...i am busy putting together the patterns, and i do find it scary to be honest. Here a few articles, ill keep you informed.
Much nice Greetins Monika

Sharing Their Demons on the Web By SARAH KERSHAW November 13, 2008 new york times http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/fashion/13psych.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all
The mind-control sites remind some experts of the accounts of those claiming to have been abducted by aliens in the 1970s and '80s. One person's story begat another until many insisted they had had virtually identical experiences of being taken onto space ships by silvery sloe-eyed creatures. Some of those now posting on mind-control sites say they are being remotely "sexually stimulated" by their torturers. Some alien abductees had said similar things. Subsequent research generally showed that those who believed they had been abducted were not psychotic, but suffering from severe memory and sleep problems, or personal traumas, Dr. Bell said.
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THE ARTICLE Washington Post : "Mind Games" 15 01 2007
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/10/AR2007011001399.html
"In her book, Abducted, Harvard psychologist Susan Clancy examines a group that has striking parallels to the TIs: people who believe they've been kidnapped by aliens. The similarities are often uncanny: Would-be abductees describe strange pains, and feelings of being watched or targeted. And although the alleged abductees don't generally have auditory hallucinations, they do sometimes believe that their thoughts are controlled by aliens, or that they've been implanted with advanced technology ] stimulation to their sexual organs (as the TIs describe) or feelings of paranoia..(On the online forum, some TIs posted vociferous objections to the parallel, concerned that the public finds UFOs even weirder than mind control. "It will keep us all marginalized and discredited," one griped.)

Whitley Answered ;
I had the visitors in my life for eleven years. They are quite real. Unfortunately, useful, focused and clear contact is very difficult because they are so extraordinarily energetic, knowledgeable and different from us. The material you describe reflects this problem most eloquently.
 
My second part of the story
Hi Whitley, i always am running behind on answering my posts, but here i am, yes sure they are indeed very real....but i do have one huge question, "what" are they ?
To me the closest to some conclusions was Karla Turner, each time I visit her site, I feel a huge need to cry. I do know there is people who take it more positive somehow, I took a lot of courage from mrs Pamela Stonebrooke, who made a cd about her abductions, and openly came with her story of her affair with a reptilian. She made me believe there is still life possible after what I went trough. Still it raised many questions, especially ethical ones.
I realize I CANNOT BE SURE of what it is , but I guess it is technology. And I guess that it will have huge consequences for humanity and also I have a problem with the fact that its violating human rights , and that its in fact non consensual human experimentation.
A few things I DO know for sure, and those are that "it" (just will call it that way) , tempers with memories and on such way that it inserts often false memories, of which people believe they are "recovered" from childhood for instance. The subjects are not only aliens, but as well satanic ritual abuse, or trauma based mind control like in USA mkultra or just sexual abuse in childhood by parents or whomever. In other words , the subjects vary , but the means are the same, tampering memories , using the brain as a hard drive , and just do copy paste with the most weird possible movies so that it all sounds nuts, keeping secrecy seems the main thing.
Tracking back these artificial memories we come in the late 70 ties and early 80 ties , before there was not such thing as recovered memories …..
What I do know as well for sure, that it is the same experience as the targeted individuals rapport, and they are often misguided by seeing people following them as if they are "organized" to do so. In reality, they are REMOTELY CONTROLLLED BUT NOT JUST INDIVIDUALLY BUT ALL AT ONCE, and that is precisely what the targeted individuals' rapport of organized stalking or street theatre, and the purpose is that they accuse neighbours police or secret agencies to be involved …..
The attention goes away from the real agenda again.. Another most incredible thing is that the mind control targets think they will sound silly being associated with aliens, many abductees exclude any possibility that this is no aliens but just artificial intelligence, people who recover memories of satanic abuse or sexual abuse in childhood, are convinced those memories are real or are screen memories to cover up their mind control programming in childhood ….and of course insist fanatically on the existence of ritual abuse and large cult groups that are organized , just as the tis think half of the world is organized and even paid to stalk them.
And many of these different groups don't see at all that they al go trough the same brainwashing ongoing now and remote ….its INCREDIBLY WELL DONE
Aside of this there is still people calling it voodoo , or god or demonic possession or entities ect …and consider all the symptoms like sleep deprivation trauma and isolation with eating attacks and channelling and nightmares or fear, as some "spiritual enlighten for the new age and preparing for 2012" Be Honest , what serious person would make sense of this ? ……..Nobody , its DECEPTION AT A EXTREEM INTELLIGENT LEVEL AND ITS NOT HUMAN INDEED BECAUSE FOR THAT ITS TOO FAST AND TOO DECEPTIVE AND TOO SMART , I believe indeed it is computer steered nanotechnology and super intelligence in same way , developed during cold war and therefore so well done and so well prepared , but what is the future ?
Some one I found to have made the connections a bit recently on her site is this lady Carissa Conti http://in2worlds.net/abductions2
am still checking out all she writes , but she sees the similarities between the aliens the satanic abuse and the targeted individuals who claim gang stalking she describes pretty well too. http://in2worlds.net/gangstalking-and-targeted-individuals
The gang stalking is in fact nothing else than a specific part of synchronicities that this system or whatever it is , is causing , also that is described on the same site as connected with this experience. http://in2worlds.net/synchronicities I need to check more still on the site and read more in the book which is free as pdf online to download.
Myself I was confronted with this consciously the first time in 2005. And I realized slowly it has been going on in my life much before I was aware of it. I felt most of all "betrayed" , and am just starting a bit to get over it now. My hope is to gather people from the different fields of this and make them put the pieces together to make the entire puzzle, and while I am still alive that this will become mainstream public knowledge, there is for me not so much more to hope I find, except getting back on my legs again.
What do think in case it is aliens why they started to come more and more frequently since the 80 ties, and especially , why is there such a SUDDEN rise of new individuals contorted with this and openly realizing not as before that its cults or aliens, but that it is remotely manipulated with technology, and the surveys I did, as well the ones from China and USA show that this is increasing fast , even since 2000 the number of new targets a year keep growing, most people I know became aware around 2005 and it is each year more and more.
I do find it scary to be honest. Don't you .?
Very kind greetings meanwhile and keep in touch, Monika


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Saturday 2 May 2009

Letter to Dr Vaughan Bell

Dear doktor Bell , (sorry for my usual bad English first of all) I did contact you before already , and i understand that i maybe was not clear enough to support the to my only possible logical consistent conclusisions on alien abductions and mind control , but i will do one more effort and i really hope that you will forget all what the entere academic world believes , and use your own pure reason to analyze the connections , put the different possibilities next to one another and see yourself which one is the most consistent and is confirmed by the facts. I will try to go step by step , in the new york times there was your statement “The extent of the community, Dr. Bell said, poses a paradox to the traditional way delusion is defined under the diagnostic guidelines of the American Psychiatric Association, which says that if a belief is held by a person's "culture or subculture," it is not a delusion. Dr. Bell, whose study was published in the journal Psychopathology, said that it does not suggest all people participating in mind-control sites are delusional, and that a firm diagnosis of psychosis could only be done in person.” And indeed compared to your colleges thanks god this statement was already more nuanced than usual is the case , that psychosis could only be diagnosed by person. Still you keep somehow in the back of your mind that for sure at least some of those people must be delusional, because there is no government beaming voices to peoples head ….fully understandable . Further you say , and you do know pretty a lot on that thanks god once more compared to many of your colleges : “Some of those now posting on mind-control sites say they are being remotely "sexually stimulated" by their torturers. Some alien abductees had said similar things. Subsequent research generally showed that those who believed they had been abducted were not psychotic, but suffering from severe memory and sleep problems, or personal traumas, Dr. Bell said.” What is anyway surprising is the fact indeed that alien abductees on who has been done much more research before than on the relatively new mind control site visitors , are not psychotic. This is the first in fact unexpected and unexplained fact you know about , put it on a paper as point 1 please . You also very correctly say that the alien abductees are traumatized , and indeed this is another surprising result confirmed by the sceptic community of Harvard , more specifically Mc Nally and Susan Clancy ….also they notice surprising and objectively noticeable trauma s in abductees , but the fact they started from a specific assumption, and they stick with that as fact , leads to not be able to explain the trauma so just ignore it as if it was not there …http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2003/02.20/01-alien.html Abductees showed surprisingly strong physiological reactions to the tapes of their alien encounters. Their reactions were as great or greater than those of individuals who cannot shake memories of combat, sexual abuse, and other punishing events. http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2005/09.22/11-alien.html Victims wake up and find themselves paralyzed, unable to move or cry out for help. They see flashing lights and hear buzzing sounds. Electric sensations zing through their bodies, which may rise up in levitation. Aliens with wrap-around eyes, gray or green skin, lacking hair or noses, approach. The abductee's heart pounds violently. There's lots of probing in the alien ship. Instruments are inserted in their noses, navels, or other orifices. It's painful. Sometimes sexual intercourse occurs. Then it's over, after seconds or minutes. The intruders vanish. Victims are back in their own beds and can move again. McNally, and their colleagues made some tantalizing discoveries. Measurements of sweating, heart rate, and brain waves showed that those claiming to be abductees show the same symptoms of post-traumatic stress syndrome as combat veterans. . Earlier this year, Clancy and McNally reported on another study that found those who recalled childhood sexual abuse or abduction by aliens experience higher rates of sleep paralysis than those who do not make such claims. Strikingly, the first group also scored high on underlying traits of fantasy proneness, paranormal interests and experiences, and inability to relate socially to others this is of course very human to ignore something they dont understand, but its another unexplained fact , please put this fact on your paper as point 2 (please forgive me my educative sounding attitude , but I am sure of this situation , sure that it fits and know that people have the tendency to ignore whatever results do not confirm the existing paradigm, a mechanism that has been very correctly described by Thomas Kuhn and is indeed a very persistent one. Now lets move to the next surprising fact that surprised me to see so many did notice the similarities between alien abductees and mind control victims , or targeted individuals., but so little have drawn a pretty obvious conclusion out of it, that both experiences are the same kind of experiences , and even have the same cause . In the Washington post januari 2007 we can read from mrs Clancy "In her book, Abducted, Harvard psychologist Susan Clancy examines a group that has striking parallels to the TIs: people who believe they've been kidnapped by aliens. The similarities are often uncanny: Would-be abductees describe strange pains, and feelings of being watched or targeted. And although the alleged abductees don't generally have auditory hallucinations, they do sometimes believe that their thoughts are controlled by aliens, or that they've been implanted with advanced technology ] stimulation to their sexual organs (as the TIs describe) or feelings of paranoia. And precisely the same similarity was mentioned by yourself in the newyork timses about the mind control victims "Some of those now posting on mind-control sites say they are being remotely "sexually stimulated" by their torturers." Isn’t stimulation to the sexual organs such a specific symptom that its surprising to be present in two distinct groups of people , not know to be associated with any kind of mental disease as is the case for the much more general expression hearing voices . And on top I can assure you that both communities are usually totally unrelated and do dispute extremely on the cause of the targeting , and as was mentioned in the wp "..(On the online forum, some TIs posted vociferous objections to the parallel, concerned that the public finds UFOs even weirder than mind control. "It will keep us all marginalized and discredited," one griped.) " This is finally also the reaction that i get from many ti”s when i compare the two experiences but it do not agree that there is anything discrediting to it , because being targeted with government weapons sounds probably as weird as being abducted by aliens, but the main thing and much more important is that realizing that both experiences are simply just the same, is the start of a big totally consistent picture no matter how unbelievable and surprising it may be. And because i do believe that logical patterns and statistics don’t fail , while humans with beliefs and prejudices do very often, i consequently want to use this strategy to show the big picture of all these unexplained and weird epidemics. Please if you find any inconsistency in my building up of argumentation or the facts, bring it under my attention please. So lets say , both experiences are so similar , traumatic ( i assure you that mind control victims mainly are traumatized , and suffer indeed from the same sleep deprivation as alien abductees ) , and have in common that thoughts are being controlled , and that is also the case for the mind control victims, its rather thoughts or telepathy than voices ...in other words its the same. And the suspicion of both groups sometimes they are implanted with some device, which is not the case but points to the feeling to be remotely controlled indeed by no matter alien or government technology. I want to point still to the remark of Walter Bowhard in his lectures with Randy Noblit and Allen sheflin , were he noticed correctly http://www.whale.to/b/bowart6.html Lecture by Authors Walter Bowart, Alan Scheflin, and Randy Noblitt Walter Boward “I've seen several patterns emerge, and one of them is the Satanic or cult ritual abuse pattern, and the other one's the alien abduction experience,reports from people that report alien abduction experiences, ritual abuse, and the government mind control side of things. And it's very interesting for the similarity, there are so many similarities it looks like one and the same thing,. Indeed the patterns show the entire picture hidden wel between seemingly unrelated phenomenon’s If I get to my survey of targeted individuals were in one specific sample a pattern is visible of a sudden rise in incidence in the year 2000, than I suppose that the change this to be coincidental is very small , especially if this patterns shows up in each new sample again and again and indeed this all around the world without that the targets even have knowledge from each others existence, The question was what year the respondents became aware to be under attack Before 1980: 2 1.43%1980: 0 0%1981: 0 0%1982: 1 0.71%1983: 0 0%1984: 1 0.71%1985: 2 1.43%1986: 2 1.43%1987: 0 0%1988: 0 0%1989: 0 0%1990: 1 0.71%1991: 1 0.71%1992: 1 0.71%1993: 3 2.14%1994: 2 1.43%1995: 1 0.71%1996: 6 4.29%1997: 6 4.29%1998: 5 3.57%1999: 2 1.43%2000: 4 2.86%2001:10 7.14%2002:12 8.57%2003: 8 5.71%2004:16 11.43%2005:14 10%2006:15 10.71%2007:12 8.57%2008:13 9.29%2009: 0 0%Total Responded to this question: 140 96.55% Indeed in 2000 the incidence rose pretty suddenly , and after 2005 even more, this sample taking is repeatable , please don’t ignore it , its easy to exclude that it’s a mistake. This sudden rise in incidence all around the world is maybe point tree that you can put on your paper as not just unexplained but nearly contradicting the fact that this problem is an individual one. But it does not contradict the fact that in case both the alien abduction experience and the mind control targeting experience is the same, a thing that is rather obvious because of the enormous resemblance, and the alien abductees do not suffer from psychosis, also the targeted individual do not suffer from psychosis, It answers your surprise that this phenomenon challenges the basically criteria of delusion …., in case it is the way I present it its not due to the internet were many can share their “delusions” that the phenomenon does not anymore match the criteria of delusion, it would be even a mistake to adept the DSM criteria of a delusion , because they are still correct; a delusion is not shared with many others of a large community , nor are delusional people while psychotic able to such cooperative social behaviour as one sees in the mind control community . Maybe still briefly , the third thing that Walter Boward mentions is the satanic ritual abuse experiences that resembles so much and indeed, also this fits into the story perfectly and brings up a scary conclusion of the recovered memory dispute . Just look at the similarities between ritual abuse survivors and alien abductees , and take note of the fact that both groups again have no knowledge of one another , don’t take each others explanation seriously but still …. California based therapist Gwen Dean noted forty-four parallels between alien abduction and satanic ritual abuse (SRA). Both emerged as widespread phenomena in the late 1970s and early 1980s, both often use hypnosis to recover lost or suppressed memory. Furthermore, the scenarios and narratives offered by abductees and SRA victims feature many similar elements: both are typically said to begin when the experiencer is in their youth; both are said to involve entire families and to occur generationally; the alien examination table is similar to the satanic altar; both phenomena focus on genitals, rape, sexuality and breeding; witnesses often report that the events happen when they are in altered states of consciousness; both phenomena feature episodes of "missing time" when the events are said to occur, but of which the victim has no conscious memory. (Bryan, 138-139) http://www.baylor.edu/content/services/document.php?id=18953 CHRISTOPHER D. BADER In the 1980s two different groups emerged that exhibited a strikingly similar combination of the quasi-religious and psychotherapeutic—UFO abductees and ritual-abuse survivorsIn the mid-1980s an increasing number of support groups appeared that were centered around so-called UFO abductions. UFO abductees support groups attempt to help people recover repressed memories of victimization at the hands of extraterrestrials. Also in the mid-1980s an increasing number of therapists and support groups focusing on “ritual abuse” began seeking clients/members. Ritual-abuse support groups also attempt to recover repressed memories of past abuses. In this case, the abuse is believed to take place at the hands of secretive, underground, usually Satanic, cults. Although much has been written about both these movements, little of this research has focused on the members themselves; Ritual-abuse survivors skew slightly older with an average age of 48 (47.7). The UFO abductees were slightly younger with an average age of 44 (43.69). Randy Noblit, a USA therapist who works with sanatic ritual abused people wrote me the following thing : R Noblit : “I mostly work with people who say that they were ritually abused and they are also dissociated. Some of them say that they think they are currently harassed by radio or similar technology, but some of them say there programmed to have this belief by their abuser group, whom they say used radio and radio-like devices during their abuse and programming. “When I was trying to suggest to him that the memories could be not real or from childhood but simply remotely induced , he carefully rejected this idea with following statement : 2008 Randy Noblitt I try to avoid making judgments about other people's memories and beliefs. I have worked with people who have described what I call ritual abuse. My definition of ritual abuse is similar to what many people also call "trauma based mind control." People who have this problem can often be helped by therapists and my experience has been as a therapist. Best Wishes, It may also draw your attention that he considers what is called satanic ritual abuse the same thing as trauma based mind control …indeed because content of the memories is less important than the symptoms the trauma and the experience itself of recovering horrifying traumatizing memories in adulthood, just as Christopher Bader noticed average age in his population survey of abductees and ritual survivors is around 45. And indeed this is also the average age of mind control targets, I am myself now 45, and even if the ages differ, middle age is the average age to become mind control victim , not really a typical age to get schizophrenia either. And now the results of the 2007 extrele abuse survey of which I find that the questions could have been more relevant and all that, and were I miss the question when it started so any search for the evolution of the problem in incidence rate …but ok , still it provides some interesting information .RESULTS EXTREME ABUSE SURVEY EAS rapports 2007 http://ritualabuse.us/mindcontrol/eas-studies/torture-based-mind-control-as-a-global-phenomenon/ Microwave abuse12% 04% Non-lethal weapons abuse 56% 24% Electronic harassment 50% 12% Sleep deprivation 79% 36% Auto-immune disorders 48%Sleep problems 93% 75%Migraine headaches 66% 38%Fibromyalgia 31% 18%Posttraumatic stress disorder 93% 70% Unusual fears 90% 67% Thyroid problems 31% 20%Cancer 08% 04%Seizures with organic basis 27% 16%The rapports of remote weapon abuse no matter if it is called microwave , non lethal weapons or electronic harassment , no idea why this question is asked tree times when it’s the same in fact , are very high , just as Randy mentioned that half of his patients rapport remote technology And all the symptoms are so typical for mind control victims and alien abductees, the autoimmune disorders, Fibromyalgia, sleep deprivation ect, the list is longer I just chose the most prevalent points. Also here is often reported to suspect to have implants …Why the memories are so same and such different subjects but such same evolution? I am convinced that Karla turner did guess it correctly , they are NOT implanted in childhood , but at the moment they come up , together with the fear the trauma and the virtual reality ….they are indeed purely artificial , and that explains of course why the trauma is so real , because the experience is so real, not matter it is virtual , Susan Clancy never even considered this idea, is it so extremely impossible ? I would enormously like to hear your reaction on this idea , because I know its sounds incredible but at the same time I know its correct and I can very hard estimate how this sound to someone who never looked at it this way and is not aware of it …., it is the purpose that it goes unnoticed and looks unrelated …and I believe by the way that the morgellons disease is another part of this, just as chronic fatigue and golf war syndrome, multiple personality disorder and the highly rising supernatural experiences and demonic possessions and rapports of voodoo , it is meant to sound as weird as this to go unnoticed . If you check briefly the main conclusions of the rather serious alien investigators (from whom John Mack was a remarkable man his dead in 2004 was a great loss to the community) you will each time again find the same essential elements that come back and point just as targeted individuals , and satanic abuse survivors to “technology” . How can that be so similar ? Kind greetings from Belgium and apologies for my usual bad English , Monika KARLA TURNER In Memory of Dr. Karla 'Kandy' Turner - Abduction Researcher http://www.karlaturner.org/articles/in_memory_of_karla_turner.html http://www.karlaturner.org/ Karla Turner A former college instructor who held a doctorate in Old English Studies from the University of North Texas, Turner had authored three books on the abduction phenomenon, *Into the Fringe (1992), *Taken (1994), *Masquerade of Angels (1994). Two traits, characterized alien behaviour above all: deceitfulness and cruelty. (During encounters, they control our perceptions. They can implant false memories. From childhood, they manipulate us physically, spiritually, and sexually. They create virtual reality scenarios that are absolutely real to the abductees. ) http://www.karlaturner.org/articles/JohnChambers_eulogy.html "Turner cited many cases pointing to a psychic technology that enabled the aliens to make us see whatever they wanted us to see. They could create virtual reality scenarios at will, she was certain. The abductees took home from their abduction experiences as memories whatever the aliens wanted them to remember. Even what was revived under hypnosis might only be a screen memory."

By Colleen Johnston http://docs.google.com/View?docid=ddjf2c5x_42hnthcffm Colleen Johnson http://www.maar.us/alien_agenda.html Out of this group, another majority are experiencing massive trauma in conjunction with their abductions-- anything from being mind controlled with disaster images that are being forced into their minds by artificial means, seeing loved ones tortured if they do not cooperate, seeing what appears to be clones of themselves, forced to hold alien/hybrid children, themselves forced into submitting to painful experimentations, even being given a deadly disease for non cooperation. Many female abductees are reporting, autoimmune disorders like Fibromyalgia or Chronic Fatigue Syndrome as well as a sudden onset of female urinary tract infections and a host of female problems which eventually lead in some cases to hysterectomy. If the creatures creating this type of misery for their captives were here on a peaceful mission to help humanity, why does this sort of abusive treatment happen with the same style of administration reminiscent of the Nazi German concentration camp doctors? I have come to believe something is more than amiss; something sinister is happening to the abduction populace without regard for the abductee. Why us and why now, someone might ask.

EVE LORGEN The Love Bite: Alien Interference in Human Love Relationships (2000), Eve Lorgen http://www.alienlovebite.com/main.htm http://www.alienlovebite.com/love_bite.htmA small but growing number of aware abductees who began to realize that some of their love relationships were engineered by the aliens who abducted them.” “It became clear that the alien abductors be they Grey aliens, reptilians, human military or other unknown species, were heavily manipulating their "chosen ones" down to the very detail of their love and sex lives! These are not normal love relationships where one or the other partner simply wants to break up. These are clearly orchestrated and manipulated with full paranormal features.” Canadian, Sunday, Nov. 9, 2008. EVE LORGENhttp://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2008/11/07/02809.htmlIn order to have a thorough grasp of the hypothesis I have suggested regarding the aliens’ true motives, once must understand the basics of human mind control, sexuality, divine potential and spirituality. From a simplistic standpoint, the exploitation of humans via mind control can be achieved by: 1Removing the person from their normal environment of influence; 2. Deprive them of sleep; 3. Pain if they disagree, pleasure if they agree; 4. Change in biochemistry; 5. Trauma http://www.xs4all.nl/~sm4csi/nwo/MindControl/matrix_hive_mind_manipulators.htmThe Matrix Hive Mind Manipulators By Eve Lorgen M.A.© 1999 http://www.xs4all.nl/~sm4csi/nwo/MindControl/identifying_mind_control.htmIdentifying Mind Control and Abductions By Eve Lorgen, M.A. © 2000

KATHARINA WILSON To read Katharina Wilson's complete 10-part monograph Project Open Mind / MILABS: Are Some Alien Abductions Government Mind Control Experiments?Click on http://www.alienjigsaw.com Or http://www.alienjigsaw.com/yk2/pom_toc.html“Maintaining Secrecy whether we are dealing with extraterrestrials or a nefarious group of powerful human beings, there appears to be a disinformation campaign underway. This has been orchestrated to mislead abductees - and therefore the research community and the public - as to what the truth is. In order to take the focus away from the true agenda, the aliens may want us to remember seeing "humans," and the humans may want us to remember seeing "aliens” Who Are We Seeing? The military personnel...a. may actually be aliens using the techniques of camouflage and screen memories to deceive abductees into believing their government is involved.b. may be part of a secret agency or military team that is involved in retrieving information from abductees about the aliens.c. may be working with some of the aliens.d. may be Hybrids - a genetic combination or cross between humans and aliens, who wear military-type uniforms to confuse the abductee.²e. may be part of a secret human agency or military team abducting humans in order to create or increase the impression that aliens abduct humans; or to sow confusion regarding the possible presence and activities of aliens on Earth; or for some other reason beyond our current understanding.”I Forgot What I Wasn't Supposed To Remember Read Katharina's new bookFree on-line Click > www.alienjigsaw.com

Barbara Bartholic http://www.karlaturner.org/articles/related/barbara_bartholic_interview_karmatoo_2007.html Why do I continue to research, under terrible duress, the most important subject in our universe? It’s clear. What could be more compelling than identifying what I call a “master control system” that defies all locks, law enforcement, physics, and governments, and last but not least, human rights; or identifying an alien-organized operation possessing such technical supremacy that they can hide in plain sight. It's a force that can delude people into refusing to believe in their existence. At the same time, alien manipulative “overlord ship” is altering the course of human life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abduction_phenomenon#Later_developments In a lengthy article, Martin Cannon makes the admittedly speculative argument that memories of alien abductions might in fact have been created in the "abductees" by a secret government mind control program, such as MKULTRAhttp://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_mindcon04.htmby Martin Cannon “The Controllers” released circa 1990

Maxwell Brierley Burns : UK. http://www.abduct.com/features/f10.php Feature Articles: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Alien Abductions Is there a connection between Myalgic Encephalomyelitis (Chronic Fatigue Syndrome) and the alien abduction scenario? Investigator Max Burns shares his thoughts and initial findings. Marianne Friedman, whom I felt would follow in Karla Turner's footsteps, died soon after she was abducted and interrogated during a dream, in what appeared to be a joint military/ alien base. She was tortured, and required medical treatment and future surgery on her neck due to her inhumane treatment. She was a warrior, and uncovered so much information about the human mind and the use and function of 'implants.' She was intuitive, and no novice to the aliens' medical agendas. She could not discern whether the aliens had used illusions and mind control to make her believe the human military was involved, and admitted she remembered reptilian alien forms wearing American military garb, confusing the memories. Now we will never know. Following the alien intimidation to break her willful resistance, her beloved dog suddenly died of cancer. She followed shortly thereafter—dead from a sudden brain attack at the age of 47.

THEN THE RESEARCH OF SKEPTICS MC NALLY AND SUSAN CLANCY WHO HAVE INTERESTING RESULTS BECAUSE THEY NOTICE THE OBJECTIVE SIGNS OF TRAUMA BUT CANNOT EXPLAIN THEM SO IGNORE IT AS HUGE FANTASY REACTIONS .... (and that should be scientist , that its not very objectif is a fact but they started from a specific assumptions about the abdcution experiences and seem not to consider a possible other conclusion than the assumption they started from , nomatter if the results point to something surprising and possibly different than what they thought it had to be . ABOUT THE POPULAR INVESTIGATORS WHO FOCUS ON ALIENS AS SUCH THIS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abduction_phenomenon Some researchers (especially Budd Hopkins and David Michael Jacobs) have been accused of excluding, minimising or suppressing testimony or data which do not fit a certain paradigm for the phenomenon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budd_Hopkins Budd Hopkins (born on June 15, 1931 in Wheeling, West Virginia) is a central figure in abduction phenomenon and related UFO research.[1] He is also a painter and sculptor of note. Official Website http://www.intrudersfoundation.org/budd_hopkins.html Budd Hopkins is a world-renowned artist, author, and pioneer UFO abduction researcher. Having investigated well over 700 cases, he now heads the Intruders Foundation, a nonprofit, scientific research and support organization. http://www.intrudersfoundation.org/witness_intimidation.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Michael_Jacobs David Michael Jacobs is an American historian who is prominently known in the field of Ufology for his research into alien abductions and UFOs.Employment David M. Jacobs, PhD, is Associate Professor of History at Temple University[1] specializing in twentieth century American history and culture.http://www.ufoabduction.com/ PS still this unexplained syndrom , same time , same symptom, same increase , coincidence?Persistent genital arousal disorder (also known as persistent sexual arousal syndrome or PSAS) 2001 http://mdn.mainichi.jp/culture/waiwai/archive/news/2006/11/20061115p2g00m0dm040000c.html “Awareness in Japan of PSAS -- which was first documented by Dr. Sandra Leiblum in the United States five years ago -- is growing, especially in the blogsphere, where it is being called Iku Iku byo. Hideo Yamanaka, a doctor at the Toranomon Hibiya Clinic in Tokyo says the disease can be debilitating.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_Genital_Arousal_Disorder Persistent genital arousal disorder (also known as persistent sexual arousal syndrome or PSAS) It was first documented by Dr. Sandra Leiblum in 2001, only recently characterized as a distinct syndrome in medical literature. Targeted Individuals and sexual genital attacks Mind Games in de Washington Post Januari 2007. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/10/AR2007011001399_pf.html “Both male and female TIs report a variety of "attacks" to their sexual organs. "My testicles became so sore I could barely walk," Girard says of his early experiences. Others, however, report the attacks in the form of sexual stimulation, including one TI who claims he dropped out of the seminary after constant sexual stimulation by directed-energy weapons. Susan Sayler, a TI in San Diego, says many women among the TIs suffer from attacks to their sexual organs but are often embarrassed to talk about it with outsiders."It's sporadic, you just never know when it will happen," she says. "A lot of the women say it's as soon as you lay down in bed -- that's when you would get hit the worst. It happened to me as I was driving, at odd times." What made her think it was an electronic attack and not just in her head? "There was no sexual attraction to a man when it would happen. That's what was wrong. It did not feel like a muscle spasm or whatever," she says. "It's so . . . electronic."

-- http://mcvictimsworld.ning.com/profile/Monika www.fedame.org www.mindcontrol-victims.eu In The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, Kuhn argued that science does not progress via a linear accumulation of new knowledge, but undergoes periodic revolutions, also called "paradigm shifts" , in which the nature of scientific inquiry within a particular field is abruptly transformed. In general, science is broken up into three distinct stages. Prescience, which lacks central paradigm, comes first. This is followed by "normal science", when scientists attempt to enlarge the central paradigm by "puzzle-solving". Thus, the failure of a result to conform to the paradigm is seen not as refuting the paradigm, but as the mistake of the researcher. As anomalous results build up, science reaches a crisis, at which point a new paradigm, which subsumes the old results along with the anomalous results into one framework, is accepted. This is termed revolutionary science.
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hello Heidi , this is a mail i just wrote to dr Bell who has been investigating mind control websites and knows also pretty a lot on alien abductions , i hope its usefull for you to read and get an idea how i look at the different connections , below is also a summary of the abduction research conclusions that i consider pretty important , hope it can be interesting to you , included the recovered memorie story and satanic rituals that seem to have the same symptoms and same couse as alien abductions , shadow people , and what our group calls mind control, hope to hear from you , kind greetings Monika http://mcvictimsworld.ning.com/profile/Monika our contacts we work with and the main networking sites http://www.fedame.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5273 Here still both articles i talk about in the letter to dr Bell , and in the letter the trauma research on harvard of abductees , hope you find it interestting to know . 2007 15 01 Front Page Article Washington Post : "Mind Games" 15 01 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/10/AR2007011001399.html "Until recently, people who believe the government is beaming voices into their heads would have added social isolation to their catalogue of woes. But now, many have discovered hundreds, possibly thousands, of others just like them all over the world. Web sites dedicated to electronic harassment and gang stalking have popped up in India, China, Japan, South Korea, the United Kingdom, Russia and elsewhere. "
"In her book, Abducted, Harvard psychologist Susan Clancy examines a group that has striking parallels to the TIs: people who believe they've been kidnapped by aliens. The similarities are often uncanny: Would-be abductees describe strange pains, and feelings of being watched or targeted. And although the alleged abductees don't generally have auditory hallucinations, they do sometimes believe that their thoughts are controlled by aliens, or that they've been implanted with advanced technology ] stimulation to their sexual organs (as the TIs describe) or feelings of paranoia..(On the online forum, some TIs posted vociferous objections to the parallel, concerned that the public finds UFOs even weirder than mind control. "It will keep us all marginalized and discredited," one griped.) "
“Both male and female TIs report a variety of "attacks" to their sexual organs. "My testicles became so sore I could barely walk," Girard says of his early experiences. Others, however, report the attacks in the form of sexual stimulation, including one TI who claims he dropped out of the seminary after constant sexual stimulation by directed-energy weapons. Susan Sayler, a TI in San Diego, says many women among the TIs suffer from attacks to their sexual organs but are often embarrassed to talk about it with outsiders."It's sporadic, you just never know when it will happen," she says. "A lot of the women say it's as soon as you lay down in bed -- that's when you would get hit the worst. It happened to me as I was driving, at odd times." What made her think it was an electronic attack and not just in her head? "There was no sexual attraction to a man when it would happen. That's what was wrong. It did not feel like a muscle spasm or whatever," she says. "It's so . . . electronic."
COMMENTS ON THE ARTICLE http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/comments/display?contentID=AR2007011001399&start=1 POST DISCUSSION http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/01/12/DI2007011201368.html
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Sharing Their Demons on the Web By SARAH KERSHAW November 13, 2008 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/fashion/13psych.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all Sharing their demons on the web Vaughan Bell, a British psychologist who has researched the effect of the Internet on mental illness, first began tracking sites with reports of mind control in 2004. In 2006 he published a study The extent of the community, Dr. Bell said, poses a paradox to the traditional way delusion is defined under the diagnostic guidelines of the American Psychiatric Association, which says that if a belief is held by a person's "culture or subculture," it is not a delusion. Dr. Bell, whose study was published in the journal Psychopathology, said that it does not suggest all people participating in mind-control sites are delusional, and that a firm diagnosis of psychosis could only be done in person. And the users of some sites have found the support of Jim Guest, a Republican state representative in Missouri, who wrote last year to his fellow legislators calling for an investigation into the claims of those who say they are being tortured by mind control. "I've had enough calls, some from credible people — professors — being targeted by nonlethal weapons," Mr. Guest said in a telephone interview, adding that nothing came of his request for a legislative investigation. "They become psychologically affected by it. They have trouble sleeping at night." He added: "I believe there are people who have been targeted by this. With this equipment, you have to test it on somebody to see if it works." The mind-control sites remind some experts of the accounts of those claiming to have been abducted by aliens in the 1970s and '80s. One person's story begat another until many insisted they had had virtually identical experiences of being taken onto space ships by silvery sloe-eyed creatures. Some of those now posting on mind-control sites say they are being remotely "sexually stimulated" by their torturers. Some alien abductees had said similar things. Subsequent research generally showed that those who believed they had been abducted were not psychotic, but suffering from severe memory and sleep problems, or personal traumas, Dr. Bell said.

Saturday 22 November 2008

Fwd: Hi Randy, I saw just received the video on witch you were talking and It felt nice to listen to you,

Dear Randy,

I saw just received the video on witch you were talking and It felt nice to listen to you, .
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4361208473124782099

Dr. Randy Noblitt, Ph.D. Clinical Psychologist, discusses his book and work with ritual abuse victims; more TI discussions

 

I also sending this mail CC to Koen, he is someone I care about so much for so long already, since we were 18 J . . I suppose he thinks I am crazy, avoids me with the subject.   My mind control experience, started in 2005 with his smiling face I saw in my head, it was so clear; I could not have been imagined or hallucinated, and ofcourse he was one of the first people i run to.

This manipulation is so extremely precise, and "knows" so well what I feel.

Sorry if I have been inpatient or upset in mails especially to Neil Brick, about aliens. But I am having a hard time, feeling so  lonely with the subject to think about thoroughly, Most targeted people don't want to make the link to SRA and the rest since 1980, and having  the most incredible theories, all the time …

I would so much like to talk about this seriously, it is without any doubt the most important thing happening in history, don't you think so ? 

.There was a few things you said that drew my attention, the first one was the sexual behaviour of this man you were talking about, who could not resist, to make love with his friend, I do know precisely what this is …., and what frightens me a lot too, this "technology " (or what ever it may be) I don't draw  conclusions on it anymore) is indeed manipulating  our sexuality, and on large scale.

 I experienced this my self, it was around 1995, but I realized it only in 2005, and that feels terrible to realize "something" was playing with feelings, for which I felt responsible, Not that I care so much to go to sleep with someone, but I felt responsible for that manipulated feelings, did not feel this normally to him, and was living with that person for 3 years,. it was a very double situation.  While it would never have happened without the manipulation….after the sex I remember I felt such aversion, like I never had felt before in my life, I remember I was wondering from were that feeling came, this was around 95 maybe. Nothing happened all the time, after that, for the entire time we lived together, and one day I went totally coincidental to a clairvoyant, not even believed in that but was on a public expo of paranormal things,

She told me very serious that she saw a dead born child, and I asked surprised if that was in the past? And she said very sure of herself "no sure in the future very soon"  I did not think about it so much anymore,

Maybe a month later I suddenly felt the same manipulation, but did not realize what it was, it feels like the own will but different. And I went after years again to sleep with the person I felt a versed to normally. Felt again the same disgust, but so extreme that I felt horrible. You can probably guess, I was pregnant…It is no coincidence , my friend Koen in CC invited me along with a whole group to a conference in Mexico and I left., pregnant, and totally not knowing what to do with it . He will remember that, he gave me the advice as I also felt very strong myself; " I did not want that child, and I would hate myself, and hate it too. " After the Mexico trip I had the abortion, just as the "clairvoyant" had predicted, it was a very late one, a "dead born child".

I hope you see that I tell you that not just to tell my intimate story , but that this is precisely what you described on the video, that is what I experienced again all over when this started in 2005, they took me trough all these feelings, and I could "update" the past.  

Many women I know meanwhile who are targeted, rapport the same, it hurts like hell, you cannot imagine, especially when no outsider believes it.

Precisely the same is reported by the alien abductees, and most researchers rapport it . The subjects, sex and breeding. They are to take literally, and you noticed very well the similarities with that targeted individuals. 

That what you call "triggers" on the video, is nothing but the moment were the person is indeed confronted with some kind of trigger, but the trigger is not causing the feeling …..the feeling it self, so strong , is caused REMOTELY  and I am absolutely unambiguously sure of that , forgive me I insist so much on this , but I want to explain that to you really , hope you don't  blame me for this.  By the way you mentioned "voodoo" , that has indeed the same symptoms, and there is many who call them at the moment "victims of voodoo" , just to let you know.

I don't know what this remote thing is , but it is extremely precise and intelligent.

It seems not only to manipulate behaviour and thoughts, but also entire metabolism of the brain and every nerve in our body. And yes also has access to all electronic communications and electronics what so ever.  It is the cause also of chronic fatigue syndrome, and the autoimmunity disturbances in the survivors of satanic abuse, as in the alien abductees, and causes the trauma, sleep deprivation the pain and emotions they experience, the dreams, and all that goes together with MPD and dissociation.

It could not be so consistent with every thing; if it would not be true ….

I saw your book is out; I will get it and read it. Will write about what I know too, but in Dutch of course, this information is so incredible, nobody suspects how important.

When this started, they told me I would write a book, but it would have the status of the diary of "Anna Frank", it that is not cruel? …I try not to care and to continue, it is difficult to know this is happening all around the world with such an amount of people.

Please keep in touch, Greets Monika

 

Ps Some more info on SRA article and compared with aliens.

 

What the Hell is Satanic Ritual Abuse? ARTICLE 2006
http://mentalhealth.about.com/cs/abuse/a/satan.htm

2006 What the Hell is Satanic Ritual Abuse? From About.com May 24, 2006 

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I don't know. That's the short answer. Some abuse survivors, often survivors with severe Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), have memories of being abused in Satanic ceremonies. These memories are usually "recovered memories" - memories that emerge later in life, Abuse survivors who have these ritual abuse memories often remember very similar things. Was any of this remotely possible? I began networking with other professionals to see what they thought



On June 13 - 17, 1992, A Conference was held at MIT in Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA

It was a conference focusing on the Alien Abduction Experience "Alien Discussions" contains the papers delivered at the conference and transcripts of author/audience discussion about the papers. written by John Archer  Edited by: Andrea Pritchard, David E. Pritchard, John E. Mack, Pam Kasey, and Claudia Yapp.  ( Published by North Cambridge Press )

California based therapist Gwen Dean noted forty-four parallels between alien abduction and satanic ritual abuse (SRA). Both emerged as widespread phenomena in the late 1970s and early 1980s, both often use hypnosis to recover lost or suppressed memory. Furthermore, the scenarios and narratives offered by abductees and SRA victims feature many similar elements: both are typically said to begin when the experiencer is in their youth; both are said to involve entire families and to occur generationally; the alien examination table is similar to the satanic altar; both phenomena focus on genitals, rape, sexuality and breeding; witnesses often report that the events happen when they are in altered states of consciousness; both phenomena feature episodes of "missing time" when the events are said to occur, but of which the victim has no conscious memory. (Bryan, 138-139)

 

http://www.baylor.edu/content/services/document.php?id=18953
CHRISTOPHER D. BADER

Supernatural Support Groups: Who Are the UFO Abductees and Ritual-Abuse Survivors?

This article presents the results of surveys of 55UFO abductees and 51 ritual-abuse survivors. Both UFO abductees and ritual-abuse survivors are compared to the general population in terms of their gender, age, race, marital status, education, and occupation.

What has been lacking in research on both movements is sociological information on the

"clients" themselves.  In the 1980s two different groups emerged that exhibited a strikingly similar combination of the quasi-religious and psychotherapeutic—UFO abductees and ritual-abuse survivors.  Ritual-abuse survivors skew slightly older with an average age of 48 (47.7).   The UFO abductees were slightly younger with an average age of 44 (43.69).
In the mid-1980s an increasing number of support groups appeared that were centered around so-called UFO abductions. UFO abductees support groups attempt to help people recover repressed memories of victimization at the hands of extraterrestrials. Also in the mid-1980s an increasing number of therapists and support groups focusing on "ritual abuse" began seeking clients/members. Ritual-abuse support groups also attempt to recover repressed memories of past abuses. In this case, the abuse is believed to take place at the hands of secretive, underground, usually Satanic, cults.

 

Sharing Their Demons on the Web By SARAH KERSHAW November 13, 2008

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/fashion/13psych.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all   Sharing their demons on the web

The mind-control sites remind some experts of the accounts of those claiming to have been abducted by aliens in the 1970s and '80s. One person's story begat another until many insisted they had had virtually identical experiences of being taken onto space ships by silvery sloe-eyed creatures. Some of those now posting on mind-control sites say they are being remotely "sexually stimulated" by their torturers. Some alien abductees had said similar things. Subsequent research generally showed that those who believed they had been abducted were not psychotic, but suffering from severe memory and sleep problems, or personal traumas, Dr. Bell said.    

 

 

More on aliens,sexual Manipulation and deception.  

To read Katharina Wilson's complete 10-part monograph Project Open Mind / MILABS:

Are Some Alien Abductions Government Mind Control Experiments?

Click on http://www.alienjigsaw.com Or  http://www.alienjigsaw.com/yk2/pom_toc.html

"Maintaining Secrecy whether we are dealing with extraterrestrials or a nefarious group of powerful human beings, there appears to be a disinformation campaign underway. This has been orchestrated to mislead abductees - and therefore the research community and the public - as to what the truth is. In order to take the focus away from the true agenda, the aliens may want us to remember seeing "humans," and the humans may want us to remember seeing "aliens"

Who Are We Seeing? The military personnel...

a. may actually be aliens using the techniques of camouflage and screen memories to deceive abductees into believing their government is involved.

b. may be part of a secret agency or military team that is involved in retrieving information from abductees about the aliens.

c. may be working with some of the aliens.

d. may be Hybrids - a genetic combination or cross between humans and aliens, who wear military-type uniforms to confuse the abductee.²

e. may be part of a secret human agency or military team abducting humans in order to create or increase the impression that aliens abduct humans; or to sow confusion regarding the possible presence and activities of aliens on Earth; or for some other reason beyond our current understanding."

I Forgot What I Wasn't Supposed To Remember  Read Katharina's new book

Free on-line  Click > www.alienjigsaw.com

 

 

 

The Love Bite: Alien Interference in Human Love Relationships (2000), Eve Lorgen
http://www.alienlovebite.com/main.htm http://www.alienlovebite.com/love_bite.htm
"The term was first coined the "alien love bite" by a small but growing number of aware abductees who began to realize that some of their love relationships were engineered by the aliens who abducted them."
"It became clear that the alien abductors be they Grey aliens, reptilians, human military or other unknown species, were heavily manipulating their "chosen ones" down to the very detail of their love and sex lives! Not only did these aliens set relationships up, but also they interfered in ways to break couples apart, friendships and even families.
Clearly, the alien abduction phenomenon entailed more than the simple medical exams, and missing time episodes as reported by the "credible" Ufologists and abduction researchers of the 1980's and early 90's. " "I believe that Dr. Karla Turner died prematurely as a result of an abduction-related reprisal for her boldness in speaking the truth. I personally know abductees and researchers who have been afflicted with a series of unfortunate "coincidences" following exposure to these darker truths. These reprisals included sudden divorces, love bite set-ups, health problems and even cancer. Most whistleblowers ended up being ostracized and discredited publicly one way or another." "Subtle orchestrations, such as being immersed in virtual reality scenarios, or flooded with mental imagery while physically in bed, are reported" "Then the inevitable happens—one partner is switched off, emotionally unplugged, leaving the other, still-obsessed partner in a state of unrequited love. These are not normal love relationships where one or the other partner simply wants to break up. These are clearly orchestrated and manipulated with full paranormal features."

 "Mind control & belief conditioning In order to grasp the aliens' true motives, one must understand the basics of human mind control. The exploitation of humans via mind control can be achieved by: 1. Removing the individual from their normal environment of influence 2. Depriving them of sleep 3. Inflicting pain if they disagree, pleasure if they agree 4. changing their biochemistry 5. Trauma



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In The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, Kuhn argued that science does not progress via a linear accumulation of new knowledge,  but undergoes periodic revolutions, also called "paradigm shifts" , in which the nature of scientific inquiry within a particular field is abruptly transformed. In general, science is broken up into three distinct stages. Prescience, which lacks
a central paradigm, comes first. This is followed by "normal science", when scientists attempt to enlarge the central paradigm by "puzzle-solving". Thus, the failure of a result to conform to the paradigm is seen not as refuting the paradigm, but as the mistake of the researcher. As anomalous results build up, science reaches a crisis, at which point a new paradigm, which subsumes the old results along with the anomalous results into one framework, is accepted. This is termed revolutionary science.

Friday 21 November 2008

Fwd: Some more information to my mail of yesterday, the resemblance between satanic ritual abuse and alien abduction, recovered memories.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Monika Stoces <monika.stoces@gmail.com>
Date: 2008/11/21
Subject: Some more information to my mail of yesterday, the resemblance between satanic ritual abuse and alien abduction, recovered memories.
To: "vaughan. bell" vaughan.bell@iop.kcl.ac.uk

 

Dear Dr Vaughan Bell ,

I did hear that many mind control experiencers seem to have contacted you. The alien abductees were so happy a wonderful researcher like Harvard Psychiatrist John E Mack in 1992 was investigating their claims, the group of mind control experiencers is still looking for their john Mack as you see, I hardly dare to ask but would you like to be our John Mack? J

 

I would like to add still some more information to my mail of yesterday, not sure if  I was clear enough about the striking the resemblance between satanic ritual abuse and alien abductions. 

More information on ritual abuse or trauma based mind control from the last survey is in this mail too I don't consider it to be a result of child trauma or to really have happened, just as the alien abductions. But the experience itself seems clearly real, it looks to me as if the subjects are chosen on a way, that they sound unbelievable, and the experiences so deceived they necessarily say half truths like "I am mind controlled by the CIA or by satanic cults or by aliens, but what they all agree on is just that they "are mind controlled"

There is still other things the technology is causing, but that would really be too much to explain, this is the most clear part of it I find.

The resemblance between the mind control victims and alien abductees, you do know already.

Here is something about the resemblance on alien abductions and satanic ritual abuse.

 

On June 13 - 17, 1992, A Conference was held at MIT in Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA It was a conference focusing on the Alien Abduction Experience "Alien Discussions" contains the papers delivered at the conference and transcripts of author/audience discussion about the papers. written by John Archer  Edited by: Andrea Pritchard, David E. Pritchard, John E. Mack, Pam Kasey, and Claudia Yapp.  ( Published by North Cambridge Press )

California based therapist Gwen Dean noted forty-four parallels between alien abduction and satanic ritual abuse (SRA). Both emerged as widespread phenomena in the late 1970s and early 1980s, both often use hypnosis to recover lost or suppressed memory. Furthermore, the scenarios and narratives offered by abductees and SRA victims feature many similar elements: both are typically said to begin when the experiencer is in their youth; both are said to involve entire families and to occur generationally; the alien examination table is similar to the satanic altar; both phenomena focus on genitals, rape, sexuality and breeding; witnesses often report that the events happen when they are in altered states of consciousness; both phenomena feature episodes of "missing time" when the events are said to occur, but of which the victim has no conscious memory. (Bryan, 138-139)

 


http://www.baylor.edu/content/services/document.php?id=18953
CHRISTOPHER D. BADER

Supernatural Support Groups: Who Are the UFO Abductees and Ritual-Abuse Survivors?

This article presents the results of surveys of 55UFO abductees and 51 ritual-abuse survivors. Both UFO abductees and ritual-abuse survivors are compared to the general population in terms of their gender, age, race, marital status, education, and occupation.

What has been lacking in research on both movements is sociological information on the

"clients" themselves. Although sociological theory would provide hypotheses on the demographic characteristics of UFO abductees and ritual-abuse survivors, in fact, we know relatively little about members of either movement. Indeed, the study of so-called new age movements suffers from a dearth of basic demographic data (Lewis 1992; Mears and Ellison 2000).   In the 1980s two different groups emerged that exhibited a strikingly similar combination of the quasi-religious and psychotherapeutic—UFO abductees and ritual-abuse survivors.  Ritual-abuse survivors skew slightly older with an average age of 48 (47.7).
The UFO abductees were slightly younger with an average age of 44 (43.69).
In the mid-1980s an increasing number of support groups appeared that were centered around so-called UFO abductions. UFO abductees support groups attempt to help people recover repressed memories of victimization at the hands of extraterrestrials. Also in the mid-1980s an increasing number of therapists and support groups focusing on "ritual abuse" began seeking clients/members. Ritual-abuse support groups also attempt to recover repressed memories of past abuses. In this case, the abuse is believed to take place at the hands of secretive, underground, usually Satanic, cults.

 

 

Here some more about satanic ritual abuse at the moment A very neutral article from internet from a normal neutrally minded therapist, She honestly says, "I don't know what this is , but just as I is asking if it did not happen, and is not imagined, could it be somehow done "remotely" ? She does not answer the question, but to ask it is a very logical reasoning.

http://mentalhealth.about.com/cs/abuse/a/satan.htm

2006 What the Hell is Satanic Ritual Abuse? From About.com May 24, 2006 

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I don't know. That's the short answer. Some abuse survivors, often survivors with severe Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), have memories of being abused in Satanic ceremonies. These memories are usually "recovered memories" - memories that emerge later in life, Abuse survivors who have these ritual abuse memories often remember very similar things. Was any of this remotely possible? I began networking with other professionals to see what they thought.

 

Here is the material connected to the main "believer therapist" from whom Randy Noblit is the most reasonable one I find. But hardly anybody of them considers the memories entirely artificial. Thorston Becker, mailed me that he does considers technology is involved somehow,  And Randy's  statement when I told him my view that the abuse was not real, only the memories were, was as following.

Randy Noblitt : " I try to avoid making judgments about other people's memories and beliefs. I have worked with people who have described what I call ritual abuse. My definition of ritual abuse is similar to what many people also call "trauma based mind control." People who have this problem can often be helped by therapists and my experience has been as a therapist." Or : "I mostly work with people who say that they were ritually abused and they are also dissociated. Some of them say that they think they are currently harassed by radio or similar technology, but some of them say there programmed to have this belief by their abuser group, whom they say used radio and radio-like devices during their abuse and programming. "

An Empirical Look at the Ritual Abuse Controversy - Randy Noblitt, PhD

http://ritualabusearticles.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/an-empirical-look-at-the-ritual-abuse-controversy-randy-noblitt-phd/ ".  "These studies show that the overwhelming majority of surveyed professionals believe ritual abuse allegations./ If these ritual abuse allegations are essentially false, then these therapists are at best misguided." /Some have argued that false ritual abuse "memories" are implanted or created by inept or unethical therapists.

The most recent effort to quantify and qualify the experience of ritual and other extreme abuse has been recently completed via the Internet. This undertaking was a cooperative effort between social scientists in the United States and Germany, Becker, Overkamp, Rutz, and Karriker, Their preliminary findings were recently described at the SMART conference in August, 2007 and will be further discussed in a chapter of the forthcoming book, Ritual Abuse in the Twenty-first Century: Psychological, Forensic, Social and Political Considerations, edited by Noblitt and Noblitt.  Research on allegations of ritual abuse is important and needed because many questions are as yet unresolved among mental health, legal, and law enforcement professionals.  

 

2007  Extreme Abuse Survey  C. Rutz, B. Overkamp, W. Karriker & Th. Becker

http://extreme-abuse-survey.net/survey.php?en=c  

(That this is programmed in childhood is an interpretation,)
Data from two international surveys that give voice, visibility, and validation to survivors of these crimes against humanity….SURVEYS - EAS: Extreme Abuse Survey for Adult Survivors (An International Online Survey for Adult Survivors of Extreme Abuse) January 1 - March 30, 2007 with 1471 respondents from 31 named countries. P-EAS: Professional - Extreme Abuse Survey (An International Online Survey for Therapists, Counselors, Clergy, and Other Persons Who Have Worked Professionally with at Least One Adult Survivor of Extreme Abuse) April 1 - June 30 2007 with 451 respondents from 20 named countries. Contact: Wanda Karriker, PhD sandime@twave.net  

Microwave abuse12% 04%
Non-lethal weapons abuse 56% 24%
Electronic harassment 50% 12%
Sleep deprivation 79% 36%
Auto-immune disorders 48%
Sleep problems 93% 75%
Migraine headaches 66% 38%
Fibromyalgia 31% 18%
Posttraumatic stress disorder 93% 70%
Unusual fears 90% 67%
Thyroid problems 31% 20%
Cancer 08% 04%
Seizures with organic basis 27% 16%

 

General info ...

WIKIPEDIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuseSatanic
ritual abuse (SRA) refers to reports of physical and sexual abuse of individuals, generally children or adults reporting on memories of childhood abuse, in the context of Satanic rituals. Allegations of SRA first appeared in the early 1980s, arising mainly in the United States and United Kingdom and to a lesser extent other parts of the world. The definitions and extent of SRA are controversial as the reports of it are based mostly on testimonials and recovered memories. SRA has been linked to dissociative identity disorder (DID, also referred to as multiple personality disorder), with approximately 20% of DID patients also alleging cult abuse. Many DID patients report memories that they allege are forms of ritual abuse though most are undocumented A survey investigating 12,000 cases of alleged SRA found that most were diagnosed with DID as well as posttraumatic stress disorder

 

Many victims on the mind control websites overlap with the victims of Satanic Rituals or trauma based mind control , most of these victims consider their experience as a result of programming or abuse in childhood, and call the current symptoms "after effects" 

Half of them rapports to experience remote technology and call it   (microwaves, non-lethal weapons, or electronic harassment) This the same group victims as who filled the Extreme Abuse survey of 2007, And clearly there is an overlap with the targeted individuals, electronic harassment or  mind control victims  from the websites who rapport organized stalking and so on.  The same trauma based mind control and satanic abuse and are meanwhile "considered" to be the same,  I think this is also is the case for the extreme abuse survivors and the targeted individuals to be one  and the same problem. 

Here is a pretty clear example of one Lady Kathleen Sullivan who is also on our list of victims that we send around to human rights organizations demanding an investigation

A transcript from a presentation by Kathleen Sullivan, (NAFF - ADVOCATING FOR VICTIMS OF MIND CONTROL, TORTURE, SLAVERY & RELATED TERROR http://naffoundation.org / )  Presented at the Fourth Annual Ritual Abuse, Secretive Organizations and Mind Control Conference, August 10 - 12, 2001

http://ritualabuse.us/smart-conference/conf2001/memory-recovery-and-screen-memories/    

 

I don't doubt that Kathleen is very right that her memories being tampered with, and it is very brave of her to admit mistakes she made as a result of brain and memory manipulation, she explains her experiences very clear and honestly … She realizes that if a part did not really happen, it is logical to reason, that the totally never happened,  But seems to not to have any other explanation for the memories than  some  abuse or programming in the past, so she does not trusts her  reasoning on this, and considers  what she calls scrambles to be inserted to the cover the "real" memories.

The scenes of being mind controlled with goggles attached to a machine, and manipulation of childhood memories in which she could not distinguish the reality from the movie, are very similar to alien abduction scenes.

This  invisible, ongoing and global "remote manipulation experiment that has misled everybody, created ongoing accusations and the entire recovered memory debate, that necessarily could never result in a mutual point of view, without realizing from were the memories were coming or why they were inserted at all. I keep open the definitive answers what this "technology" really is or comes from ….but it has used a global deception strategy towards entire humanity over decades, knowing that slow changes go unnoticed and even if no explanations is provided for them are just accepted, people simply argued about what they could not explain by anything they knew.

This manipulation operates undependably (on such a scale I cannot explain otherwise)  is invisible, and behaves "intelligent" , and the survivors of trauma based mind control were not "programmed" in the past I believe , but their manipulation was present since childhood, but not experienced consciously.

 

Descriptions of recovering memories of MK ultra 1995 Presidential hearings Washington, testimonies of CIA mind control In childhood , and this of course explains why the subject is often referred to, but the same illnesses are mentioned in these people. They clearly are not "imagined" 

New Orleans therapist Valerie Wolf introduced two of her patients who had uncovered memories of being part of extensive CIA brainwashing programs as young children (in one case, starting at age seven). Both Wolf and her patients stated that they recovered the memories of this CIA program without regression or hypnosis techniques.
"Mary maintains her tormentors applied strong doses of electricity to her right hand to prevent her from writing about the horrific experiences  She says it was both physically and mentally painful, as the memories returned," Therapist Valerie "What was startlingly was that therapists reported many of these clients were also physically ill with auto-immune problems, thyroid problems, multiple sclerosis, and other muscle and connective tissue diseases as well as mysterious ailments for which a diagnosis cannot be found."

The different diseases the survivors rapport in the extreme abuse survey,  like auto immunity diseases and thyroid problems, or Fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome are highly improbable to be a result of "childhood abuse" , the  same health problems and  diseases , are also widely reported by aliens abductees around the world, another group of victims from whom the biggest part believes to be harassed by aliens.  ( I can send you some summarized info on this too , it matches in detail)

 

Another typical subject I found to be "recovered memories" is past lives, it is recent and has nothing to do with believing in reincarnation as such,

this article explains this as a possible confirmation that the therapists is guilty, but I don't believe it, too many people recover these kind of memories before going to any therapist…, it is an explanation by lack of another, does not explain the trauma, the many physical symptoms, and in all different subjects and the consistency of the memories, and surely not the health problems  that go together with it. 

http://www.massey.ac.nz/~trauma/issues/1998-3/gow1.htm

Remembering past lives is a relatively recent phenomenon. Except under hypnosis, prior to the late 1960's there were few reports of individuals remembering their own past lives (Lucas, 1996). He makes the point that even adults in India, where reincarnation has been taken as a part of the faith system, do not remember their past lives. Therefore the rise of 'past life therapy' in the USA and more recently in Australia and New Zealand, may in fact have led people to believe that people could recover memories they did not know they had, without realising that they were expressing fantasy. Consequently the role of the therapist in inducing such fictitious memories must be given consideration.

I can only say that the memories being inserted remotely, explains all this consistently and completely, included the entire controversy on it since the 80 ties.

 

 

Nobody can know for sure who is "doing this"  and many targeted individuals who believe anyway they know, is a result of the extreme manipulation and only partial information they have about what the technology is capable of or causing worldwide.

The content of the memories, also does not provide any reliable information on who is doing it,  some "remember" to be programmed with helmets, and in the past, by aliens on a space ship, or in childhood brainwash experiments, all this to make believe them this is real, so the different groups accuse the wrong people, think the abuse happened in the past, are trying to heal, or consider aliens responsible for it , so it does not seem to be a matter for human rights organizations.

 

It is totally unimaginable, what the technology, or whatever it may be, is able to do, as long as it is not experienced, observed in action and its full possibilities not known.

I was totally surprised the moment I became conscious of this in 2005, and never have considered anything like this possible (I am born in 1964, in Prague, live in Belgium since 1968)  It started with computer problems that "followed me from computer to computer, and first I thought the "internet was hacked" J  I never believed the "stalking" was "organized" but saw it happening,  and thought it had to be "manipulated remotely" , because  people cannot "organize" this way, why would they? This is often called "street theatre", the description is very close to how it looks.  Only the explanation differs. This system operates on much larger scale, than most of us realize, and this is only clear when we see what implications it has altogether. I know it sounds totally unbelievable, impossible ect …

Just like me, many other targeted individuals never recovered any memories of abuse but did slowly realize the technology has been used on them since childhood remotely without they were aware.    This results in a total collapse of the entire identity and is a highly traumatizing experience, not just recovered "memories" but the entire past, believe system and human history of at least the past decades.  My impression is that it seems the purpose this is going to be public anyway slowly, the increase is too clear and visible in global statistics on suicide rates in middle age for instance, but I don't know what the agenda behind all this is.

All I see a very intelligent strategy is used and it has been well prepared in the past.

 

Please if after reading this, do you understand why I come over and over to the same conclusion this MUST be one and the same thing? And what is your impression from reading this? Does it make sense? Or can this be some new "mental illness"? I would not mind if someone could convince me with any possible rational argument that this is not really happening or explain me from were this may come.

I really hope to hear your reaction; this is going on for so long. , and nobody even considers it to be real. And hardly anybody makes the connections, victims draw the wrong conclusions all the time and that seems to be the purpose of all this. And little academics research alien abductions, or satanic abuse ….In case I can call you let me know were and when, an email reaction is ok too, what ever you prefer. Very Nice Greetings

Monika

 

Monika Stoces

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Still one detail one about the sexual manipulation that targeted individuals and alien abductees' experience, this appeared as a new syndrome first reported in 2001…coincidence?

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/culture/waiwai/archive/news/2006/11/20061115p2g00m0dm040000c.html
"Awareness in Japan of PSAS -- which was first documented by Dr. Sandra Leiblum in the United States five years ago -- is growing, especially in the blogsphere, where it is being called Iku Iku byo. Hideo Yamanaka, a doctor at the Toranomon Hibiya Clinic in Tokyo says the disease can be debilitating."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_Genital_Arousal_Disorder
Persistent genital arousal disorder (also known as persistent sexual arousal syndrome or PSAS)

It was  first documented by Dr. Sandra Leiblum in 2001, only recently characterized as a distinct syndrome in medical literature.

 

 

 

 

 



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