Fwd: Hi Randy, I saw just received the video on witch you were talking and It felt nice to listen to you,

Dear Randy,

I saw just received the video on witch you were talking and It felt nice to listen to you, .
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4361208473124782099

Dr. Randy Noblitt, Ph.D. Clinical Psychologist, discusses his book and work with ritual abuse victims; more TI discussions

 

I also sending this mail CC to Koen, he is someone I care about so much for so long already, since we were 18 J . . I suppose he thinks I am crazy, avoids me with the subject.   My mind control experience, started in 2005 with his smiling face I saw in my head, it was so clear; I could not have been imagined or hallucinated, and ofcourse he was one of the first people i run to.

This manipulation is so extremely precise, and "knows" so well what I feel.

Sorry if I have been inpatient or upset in mails especially to Neil Brick, about aliens. But I am having a hard time, feeling so  lonely with the subject to think about thoroughly, Most targeted people don't want to make the link to SRA and the rest since 1980, and having  the most incredible theories, all the time …

I would so much like to talk about this seriously, it is without any doubt the most important thing happening in history, don't you think so ?  …

.There was a few things you said that drew my attention, the first one was the sexual behaviour of this man you were talking about, who could not resist, to make love with his friend, I do know precisely what this is …., and what frightens me a lot too, this "technology " (or what ever it may be) I don't draw  conclusions on it anymore) is indeed manipulating  our sexuality, and on large scale.

 I experienced this my self, it was around 1995, but I realized it only in 2005, and that feels terrible to realize "something" was playing with feelings, for which I felt responsible, Not that I care so much to go to sleep with someone, but I felt responsible for that manipulated feelings, did not feel this normally to him, and was living with that person for 3 years,. it was a very double situation.  While it would never have happened without the manipulation….after the sex I remember I felt such aversion, like I never had felt before in my life, I remember I was wondering from were that feeling came, this was around 95 maybe. Nothing happened all the time, after that, for the entire time we lived together, and one day I went totally coincidental to a clairvoyant, not even believed in that but was on a public expo of paranormal things,

She told me very serious that she saw a dead born child, and I asked surprised if that was in the past? And she said very sure of herself "no sure in the future very soon"  I did not think about it so much anymore,

Maybe a month later I suddenly felt the same manipulation, but did not realize what it was, it feels like the own will but different. And I went after years again to sleep with the person I felt a versed to normally. Felt again the same disgust, but so extreme that I felt horrible. You can probably guess, I was pregnant…It is no coincidence , my friend Koen in CC invited me along with a whole group to a conference in Mexico and I left., pregnant, and totally not knowing what to do with it . He will remember that, he gave me the advice as I also felt very strong myself; " I did not want that child, and I would hate myself, and hate it too. " After the Mexico trip I had the abortion, just as the "clairvoyant" had predicted, it was a very late one, a "dead born child".

I hope you see that I tell you that not just to tell my intimate story , but that this is precisely what you described on the video, that is what I experienced again all over when this started in 2005, they took me trough all these feelings, and I could "update" the past.  

Many women I know meanwhile who are targeted, rapport the same, it hurts like hell, you cannot imagine, especially when no outsider believes it.

Precisely the same is reported by the alien abductees, and most researchers rapport it . The subjects, sex and breeding. They are to take literally, and you noticed very well the similarities with that targeted individuals. 

That what you call "triggers" on the video, is nothing but the moment were the person is indeed confronted with some kind of trigger, but the trigger is not causing the feeling …..the feeling it self, so strong , is caused REMOTELY  and I am absolutely unambiguously sure of that , forgive me I insist so much on this , but I want to explain that to you really , hope you don't  blame me for this.  By the way you mentioned "voodoo" , that has indeed the same symptoms, and there is many who call them at the moment "victims of voodoo" , just to let you know.

I don't know what this remote thing is , but it is extremely precise and intelligent.

It seems not only to manipulate behaviour and thoughts, but also entire metabolism of the brain and every nerve in our body. And yes also has access to all electronic communications and electronics what so ever.  It is the cause also of chronic fatigue syndrome, and the autoimmunity disturbances in the survivors of satanic abuse, as in the alien abductees, and causes the trauma, sleep deprivation the pain and emotions they experience, the dreams, and all that goes together with MPD and dissociation.

It could not be so consistent with every thing; if it would not be true ….

I saw your book is out; I will get it and read it. Will write about what I know too, but in Dutch of course, this information is so incredible, nobody suspects how important.

When this started, they told me I would write a book, but it would have the status of the diary of "Anna Frank", it that is not cruel? …I try not to care and to continue, it is difficult to know this is happening all around the world with such an amount of people.

Please keep in touch, Greets Monika

 

Ps Some more info on SRA article and compared with aliens.

 

What the Hell is Satanic Ritual Abuse? ARTICLE 2006
http://mentalhealth.about.com/cs/abuse/a/satan.htm

2006 What the Hell is Satanic Ritual Abuse? From About.com May 24, 2006 

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I don't know. That's the short answer. Some abuse survivors, often survivors with severe Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), have memories of being abused in Satanic ceremonies. These memories are usually "recovered memories" - memories that emerge later in life, Abuse survivors who have these ritual abuse memories often remember very similar things. Was any of this remotely possible? I began networking with other professionals to see what they thought

On June 13 - 17, 1992, A Conference was held at MIT in Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA

It was a conference focusing on the Alien Abduction Experience "Alien Discussions" contains the papers delivered at the conference and transcripts of author/audience discussion about the papers. written by John Archer  Edited by: Andrea Pritchard, David E. Pritchard, John E. Mack, Pam Kasey, and Claudia Yapp.  ( Published by North Cambridge Press )

California based therapist Gwen Dean noted forty-four parallels between alien abduction and satanic ritual abuse (SRA). Both emerged as widespread phenomena in the late 1970s and early 1980s, both often use hypnosis to recover lost or suppressed memory. Furthermore, the scenarios and narratives offered by abductees and SRA victims feature many similar elements: both are typically said to begin when the experiencer is in their youth; both are said to involve entire families and to occur generationally; the alien examination table is similar to the satanic altar; both phenomena focus on genitals, rape, sexuality and breeding; witnesses often report that the events happen when they are in altered states of consciousness; both phenomena feature episodes of "missing time" when the events are said to occur, but of which the victim has no conscious memory. (Bryan, 138-139)

 

http://www.baylor.edu/content/services/document.php?id=18953
CHRISTOPHER D. BADER

Supernatural Support Groups: Who Are the UFO Abductees and Ritual-Abuse Survivors?

This article presents the results of surveys of 55UFO abductees and 51 ritual-abuse survivors. Both UFO abductees and ritual-abuse survivors are compared to the general population in terms of their gender, age, race, marital status, education, and occupation.

What has been lacking in research on both movements is sociological information on the

"clients" themselves.  In the 1980s two different groups emerged that exhibited a strikingly similar combination of the quasi-religious and psychotherapeutic—UFO abductees and ritual-abuse survivors.  Ritual-abuse survivors skew slightly older with an average age of 48 (47.7).   The UFO abductees were slightly younger with an average age of 44 (43.69).
In the mid-1980s an increasing number of support groups appeared that were centered around so-called UFO abductions. UFO abductees support groups attempt to help people recover repressed memories of victimization at the hands of extraterrestrials. Also in the mid-1980s an increasing number of therapists and support groups focusing on "ritual abuse" began seeking clients/members. Ritual-abuse support groups also attempt to recover repressed memories of past abuses. In this case, the abuse is believed to take place at the hands of secretive, underground, usually Satanic, cults.

 

Sharing Their Demons on the Web By SARAH KERSHAW November 13, 2008

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/fashion/13psych.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all   Sharing their demons on the web

The mind-control sites remind some experts of the accounts of those claiming to have been abducted by aliens in the 1970s and '80s. One person's story begat another until many insisted they had had virtually identical experiences of being taken onto space ships by silvery sloe-eyed creatures. Some of those now posting on mind-control sites say they are being remotely "sexually stimulated" by their torturers. Some alien abductees had said similar things. Subsequent research generally showed that those who believed they had been abducted were not psychotic, but suffering from severe memory and sleep problems, or personal traumas, Dr. Bell said.    

 

 

More on aliens,sexual Manipulation and deception.  

To read Katharina Wilson's complete 10-part monograph Project Open Mind / MILABS:

Are Some Alien Abductions Government Mind Control Experiments?

Click on http://www.alienjigsaw.com Or  http://www.alienjigsaw.com/yk2/pom_toc.html

"Maintaining Secrecy whether we are dealing with extraterrestrials or a nefarious group of powerful human beings, there appears to be a disinformation campaign underway. This has been orchestrated to mislead abductees - and therefore the research community and the public - as to what the truth is. In order to take the focus away from the true agenda, the aliens may want us to remember seeing "humans," and the humans may want us to remember seeing "aliens"

Who Are We Seeing? The military personnel...

a. may actually be aliens using the techniques of camouflage and screen memories to deceive abductees into believing their government is involved.

b. may be part of a secret agency or military team that is involved in retrieving information from abductees about the aliens.

c. may be working with some of the aliens.

d. may be Hybrids - a genetic combination or cross between humans and aliens, who wear military-type uniforms to confuse the abductee.²

e. may be part of a secret human agency or military team abducting humans in order to create or increase the impression that aliens abduct humans; or to sow confusion regarding the possible presence and activities of aliens on Earth; or for some other reason beyond our current understanding."

I Forgot What I Wasn't Supposed To Remember  Read Katharina's new book

Free on-line  Click > www.alienjigsaw.com

 

 

 

The Love Bite: Alien Interference in Human Love Relationships (2000), Eve Lorgen
http://www.alienlovebite.com/main.htm http://www.alienlovebite.com/love_bite.htm
"The term was first coined the "alien love bite" by a small but growing number of aware abductees who began to realize that some of their love relationships were engineered by the aliens who abducted them."
"It became clear that the alien abductors be they Grey aliens, reptilians, human military or other unknown species, were heavily manipulating their "chosen ones" down to the very detail of their love and sex lives! Not only did these aliens set relationships up, but also they interfered in ways to break couples apart, friendships and even families. Clearly, the alien abduction phenomenon entailed more than the simple medical exams, and missing time episodes as reported by the "credible" Ufologists and abduction researchers of the 1980's and early 90's. " "I believe that Dr. Karla Turner died prematurely as a result of an abduction-related reprisal for her boldness in speaking the truth. I personally know abductees and researchers who have been afflicted with a series of unfortunate "coincidences" following exposure to these darker truths. These reprisals included sudden divorces, love bite set-ups, health problems and even cancer. Most whistleblowers ended up being ostracized and discredited publicly one way or another." "Subtle orchestrations, such as being immersed in virtual reality scenarios, or flooded with mental imagery while physically in bed, are reported" "Then the inevitable happens—one partner is switched off, emotionally unplugged, leaving the other, still-obsessed partner in a state of unrequited love. These are not normal love relationships where one or the other partner simply wants to break up. These are clearly orchestrated and manipulated with full paranormal features."

 "Mind control & belief conditioning In order to grasp the aliens' true motives, one must understand the basics of human mind control. The exploitation of humans via mind control can be achieved by: 1. Removing the individual from their normal environment of influence 2. Depriving them of sleep 3. Inflicting pain if they disagree, pleasure if they agree 4. changing their biochemistry 5. Trauma

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http://mcvictimsworld.ning.com/profile/Monika  
www.fedame.org
www.mindcontrol-victims.eu

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http://mcvictimsworld.ning.com/profile/Monika
www.fedame.org
www.mindcontrol-victims.eu
In The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, Kuhn argued that science does not progress via a linear accumulation of new knowledge,  but undergoes periodic revolutions, also called "paradigm shifts" , in which the nature of scientific inquiry within a particular field is abruptly transformed. In general, science is broken up into three distinct stages. Prescience, which lacks
a central paradigm, comes first. This is followed by "normal science", when scientists attempt to enlarge the central paradigm by "puzzle-solving". Thus, the failure of a result to conform to the paradigm is seen not as refuting the paradigm, but as the mistake of the researcher. As anomalous results build up, science reaches a crisis, at which point a new paradigm, which subsumes the old results along with the anomalous results into one framework, is accepted. This is termed revolutionary science.

Fwd: Some more information to my mail of yesterday, the resemblance between satanic ritual abuse and alien abduction, recovered memories.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Monika Stoces <monika.stoces@gmail.com>
Date: 2008/11/21
Subject: Some more information to my mail of yesterday, the resemblance between satanic ritual abuse and alien abduction, recovered memories.
To: "vaughan. bell" vaughan.bell@iop.kcl.ac.uk

 

Dear Dr Vaughan Bell ,

I did hear that many mind control experiencers seem to have contacted you. The alien abductees were so happy a wonderful researcher like Harvard Psychiatrist John E Mack in 1992 was investigating their claims, the group of mind control experiencers is still looking for their john Mack as you see, I hardly dare to ask but would you like to be our John Mack? J

 

I would like to add still some more information to my mail of yesterday, not sure if  I was clear enough about the striking the resemblance between satanic ritual abuse and alien abductions. 

More information on ritual abuse or trauma based mind control from the last survey is in this mail too I don't consider it to be a result of child trauma or to really have happened, just as the alien abductions. But the experience itself seems clearly real, it looks to me as if the subjects are chosen on a way, that they sound unbelievable, and the experiences so deceived they necessarily say half truths like "I am mind controlled by the CIA or by satanic cults or by aliens, but what they all agree on is just that they "are mind controlled"

There is still other things the technology is causing, but that would really be too much to explain, this is the most clear part of it I find.

The resemblance between the mind control victims and alien abductees, you do know already.

Here is something about the resemblance on alien abductions and satanic ritual abuse.

 

On June 13 - 17, 1992, A Conference was held at MIT in Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA It was a conference focusing on the Alien Abduction Experience "Alien Discussions" contains the papers delivered at the conference and transcripts of author/audience discussion about the papers. written by John Archer  Edited by: Andrea Pritchard, David E. Pritchard, John E. Mack, Pam Kasey, and Claudia Yapp.  ( Published by North Cambridge Press )

California based therapist Gwen Dean noted forty-four parallels between alien abduction and satanic ritual abuse (SRA). Both emerged as widespread phenomena in the late 1970s and early 1980s, both often use hypnosis to recover lost or suppressed memory. Furthermore, the scenarios and narratives offered by abductees and SRA victims feature many similar elements: both are typically said to begin when the experiencer is in their youth; both are said to involve entire families and to occur generationally; the alien examination table is similar to the satanic altar; both phenomena focus on genitals, rape, sexuality and breeding; witnesses often report that the events happen when they are in altered states of consciousness; both phenomena feature episodes of "missing time" when the events are said to occur, but of which the victim has no conscious memory. (Bryan, 138-139)

 

http://www.baylor.edu/content/services/document.php?id=18953
CHRISTOPHER D. BADER

Supernatural Support Groups: Who Are the UFO Abductees and Ritual-Abuse Survivors?

This article presents the results of surveys of 55UFO abductees and 51 ritual-abuse survivors. Both UFO abductees and ritual-abuse survivors are compared to the general population in terms of their gender, age, race, marital status, education, and occupation.

What has been lacking in research on both movements is sociological information on the

"clients" themselves. Although sociological theory would provide hypotheses on the demographic characteristics of UFO abductees and ritual-abuse survivors, in fact, we know relatively little about members of either movement. Indeed, the study of so-called new age movements suffers from a dearth of basic demographic data (Lewis 1992; Mears and Ellison 2000).   In the 1980s two different groups emerged that exhibited a strikingly similar combination of the quasi-religious and psychotherapeutic—UFO abductees and ritual-abuse survivors.  Ritual-abuse survivors skew slightly older with an average age of 48 (47.7).
The UFO abductees were slightly younger with an average age of 44 (43.69).
In the mid-1980s an increasing number of support groups appeared that were centered around so-called UFO abductions. UFO abductees support groups attempt to help people recover repressed memories of victimization at the hands of extraterrestrials. Also in the mid-1980s an increasing number of therapists and support groups focusing on "ritual abuse" began seeking clients/members. Ritual-abuse support groups also attempt to recover repressed memories of past abuses. In this case, the abuse is believed to take place at the hands of secretive, underground, usually Satanic, cults.

 

 

Here some more about satanic ritual abuse at the moment A very neutral article from internet from a normal neutrally minded therapist, She honestly says, "I don't know what this is , but just as I is asking if it did not happen, and is not imagined, could it be somehow done "remotely" ? She does not answer the question, but to ask it is a very logical reasoning.

http://mentalhealth.about.com/cs/abuse/a/satan.htm

2006 What the Hell is Satanic Ritual Abuse? From About.com May 24, 2006 

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I don't know. That's the short answer. Some abuse survivors, often survivors with severe Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), have memories of being abused in Satanic ceremonies. These memories are usually "recovered memories" - memories that emerge later in life, Abuse survivors who have these ritual abuse memories often remember very similar things. Was any of this remotely possible? I began networking with other professionals to see what they thought.

 

Here is the material connected to the main "believer therapist" from whom Randy Noblit is the most reasonable one I find. But hardly anybody of them considers the memories entirely artificial. Thorston Becker, mailed me that he does considers technology is involved somehow,  And Randy's  statement when I told him my view that the abuse was not real, only the memories were, was as following.

Randy Noblitt : " I try to avoid making judgments about other people's memories and beliefs. I have worked with people who have described what I call ritual abuse. My definition of ritual abuse is similar to what many people also call "trauma based mind control." People who have this problem can often be helped by therapists and my experience has been as a therapist." Or : "I mostly work with people who say that they were ritually abused and they are also dissociated. Some of them say that they think they are currently harassed by radio or similar technology, but some of them say there programmed to have this belief by their abuser group, whom they say used radio and radio-like devices during their abuse and programming. "

An Empirical Look at the Ritual Abuse Controversy - Randy Noblitt, PhD

http://ritualabusearticles.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/an-empirical-look-at-the-ritual-abuse-controversy-randy-noblitt-phd/ ".  "These studies show that the overwhelming majority of surveyed professionals believe ritual abuse allegations./ If these ritual abuse allegations are essentially false, then these therapists are at best misguided." /Some have argued that false ritual abuse "memories" are implanted or created by inept or unethical therapists.

The most recent effort to quantify and qualify the experience of ritual and other extreme abuse has been recently completed via the Internet. This undertaking was a cooperative effort between social scientists in the United States and Germany, Becker, Overkamp, Rutz, and Karriker, Their preliminary findings were recently described at the SMART conference in August, 2007 and will be further discussed in a chapter of the forthcoming book, Ritual Abuse in the Twenty-first Century: Psychological, Forensic, Social and Political Considerations, edited by Noblitt and Noblitt.  Research on allegations of ritual abuse is important and needed because many questions are as yet unresolved among mental health, legal, and law enforcement professionals.  

 

2007  Extreme Abuse Survey  C. Rutz, B. Overkamp, W. Karriker & Th. Becker

http://extreme-abuse-survey.net/survey.php?en=c  

http://ritualabuse.us/mindcontrol/eas-studies/torture-based-mind-control-as-a-global-phenomenon/  

(That this is programmed in childhood is an interpretation,)

Data from two international surveys that give voice, visibility, and validation to survivors of these crimes against humanity….SURVEYS - EAS: Extreme Abuse Survey for Adult Survivors (An International Online Survey for Adult Survivors of Extreme Abuse) January 1 - March 30, 2007 with 1471 respondents from 31 named countries. P-EAS: Professional - Extreme Abuse Survey (An International Online Survey for Therapists, Counselors, Clergy, and Other Persons Who Have Worked Professionally with at Least One Adult Survivor of Extreme Abuse) April 1 - June 30 2007 with 451 respondents from 20 named countries. Contact: Wanda Karriker, PhD sandime@twave.net  

Microwave abuse12% 04%
Non-lethal weapons abuse 56% 24%
Electronic harassment 50% 12%
Sleep deprivation 79% 36%
Auto-immune disorders 48%
Sleep problems 93% 75%
Migraine headaches 66% 38%
Fibromyalgia 31% 18%
Posttraumatic stress disorder 93% 70%
Unusual fears 90% 67%
Thyroid problems 31% 20%
Cancer 08% 04%
Seizures with organic basis 27% 16%

 

General info ...

WIKIPEDIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuseSatanic
ritual abuse (SRA) refers to reports of physical and sexual abuse of individuals, generally children or adults reporting on memories of childhood abuse, in the context of Satanic rituals. Allegations of SRA first appeared in the early 1980s, arising mainly in the United States and United Kingdom and to a lesser extent other parts of the world. The definitions and extent of SRA are controversial as the reports of it are based mostly on testimonials and recovered memories. SRA has been linked to dissociative identity disorder (DID, also referred to as multiple personality disorder), with approximately 20% of DID patients also alleging cult abuse. Many DID patients report memories that they allege are forms of ritual abuse though most are undocumented A survey investigating 12,000 cases of alleged SRA found that most were diagnosed with DID as well as posttraumatic stress disorder

 

Many victims on the mind control websites overlap with the victims of Satanic Rituals or trauma based mind control , most of these victims consider their experience as a result of programming or abuse in childhood, and call the current symptoms "after effects" 

Half of them rapports to experience remote technology and call it   (microwaves, non-lethal weapons, or electronic harassment) This the same group victims as who filled the Extreme Abuse survey of 2007, And clearly there is an overlap with the targeted individuals, electronic harassment or  mind control victims  from the websites who rapport organized stalking and so on.  The same trauma based mind control and satanic abuse and are meanwhile "considered" to be the same,  I think this is also is the case for the extreme abuse survivors and the targeted individuals to be one  and the same problem. 

Here is a pretty clear example of one Lady Kathleen Sullivan who is also on our list of victims that we send around to human rights organizations demanding an investigation

A transcript from a presentation by Kathleen Sullivan, (NAFF - ADVOCATING FOR VICTIMS OF MIND CONTROL, TORTURE, SLAVERY & RELATED TERROR http://naffoundation.org / )  Presented at the Fourth Annual Ritual Abuse, Secretive Organizations and Mind Control Conference, August 10 - 12, 2001

http://ritualabuse.us/smart-conference/conf2001/memory-recovery-and-screen-memories/    

 

I don't doubt that Kathleen is very right that her memories being tampered with, and it is very brave of her to admit mistakes she made as a result of brain and memory manipulation, she explains her experiences very clear and honestly … She realizes that if a part did not really happen, it is logical to reason, that the totally never happened,  But seems to not to have any other explanation for the memories than  some  abuse or programming in the past, so she does not trusts her  reasoning on this, and considers  what she calls scrambles to be inserted to the cover the "real" memories.

The scenes of being mind controlled with goggles attached to a machine, and manipulation of childhood memories in which she could not distinguish the reality from the movie, are very similar to alien abduction scenes.

This  invisible, ongoing and global "remote manipulation experiment that has misled everybody, created ongoing accusations and the entire recovered memory debate, that necessarily could never result in a mutual point of view, without realizing from were the memories were coming or why they were inserted at all. I keep open the definitive answers what this "technology" really is or comes from ….but it has used a global deception strategy towards entire humanity over decades, knowing that slow changes go unnoticed and even if no explanations is provided for them are just accepted, people simply argued about what they could not explain by anything they knew.

This manipulation operates undependably (on such a scale I cannot explain otherwise)  is invisible, and behaves "intelligent" , and the survivors of trauma based mind control were not "programmed" in the past I believe , but their manipulation was present since childhood, but not experienced consciously.

 

Descriptions of recovering memories of MK ultra 1995 Presidential hearings Washington, testimonies of CIA mind control In childhood , and this of course explains why the subject is often referred to, but the same illnesses are mentioned in these people. They clearly are not "imagined" 

New Orleans therapist Valerie Wolf introduced two of her patients who had uncovered memories of being part of extensive CIA brainwashing programs as young children (in one case, starting at age seven). Both Wolf and her patients stated that they recovered the memories of this CIA program without regression or hypnosis techniques.
"Mary maintains her tormentors applied strong doses of electricity to her right hand to prevent her from writing about the horrific experiences  She says it was both physically and mentally painful, as the memories returned," Therapist Valerie "What was startlingly was that therapists reported many of these clients were also physically ill with auto-immune problems, thyroid problems, multiple sclerosis, and other muscle and connective tissue diseases as well as mysterious ailments for which a diagnosis cannot be found."

The different diseases the survivors rapport in the extreme abuse survey,  like auto immunity diseases and thyroid problems, or Fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome are highly improbable to be a result of "childhood abuse" , the  same health problems and  diseases , are also widely reported by aliens abductees around the world, another group of victims from whom the biggest part believes to be harassed by aliens.  ( I can send you some summarized info on this too , it matches in detail)

 

Another typical subject I found to be "recovered memories" is past lives, it is recent and has nothing to do with believing in reincarnation as such,

this article explains this as a possible confirmation that the therapists is guilty, but I don't believe it, too many people recover these kind of memories before going to any therapist…, it is an explanation by lack of another, does not explain the trauma, the many physical symptoms, and in all different subjects and the consistency of the memories, and surely not the health problems  that go together with it. 

http://www.massey.ac.nz/~trauma/issues/1998-3/gow1.htm

Remembering past lives is a relatively recent phenomenon. Except under hypnosis, prior to the late 1960's there were few reports of individuals remembering their own past lives (Lucas, 1996). He makes the point that even adults in India, where reincarnation has been taken as a part of the faith system, do not remember their past lives. Therefore the rise of 'past life therapy' in the USA and more recently in Australia and New Zealand, may in fact have led people to believe that people could recover memories they did not know they had, without realising that they were expressing fantasy. Consequently the role of the therapist in inducing such fictitious memories must be given consideration.

I can only say that the memories being inserted remotely, explains all this consistently and completely, included the entire controversy on it since the 80 ties.

 

 

Nobody can know for sure who is "doing this"  and many targeted individuals who believe anyway they know, is a result of the extreme manipulation and only partial information they have about what the technology is capable of or causing worldwide.

The content of the memories, also does not provide any reliable information on who is doing it,  some "remember" to be programmed with helmets, and in the past, by aliens on a space ship, or in childhood brainwash experiments, all this to make believe them this is real, so the different groups accuse the wrong people, think the abuse happened in the past, are trying to heal, or consider aliens responsible for it , so it does not seem to be a matter for human rights organizations.

 

It is totally unimaginable, what the technology, or whatever it may be, is able to do, as long as it is not experienced, observed in action and its full possibilities not known.

I was totally surprised the moment I became conscious of this in 2005, and never have considered anything like this possible (I am born in 1964, in Prague, live in Belgium since 1968)  It started with computer problems that "followed me from computer to computer, and first I thought the "internet was hacked" J  I never believed the "stalking" was "organized" but saw it happening,  and thought it had to be "manipulated remotely" , because  people cannot "organize" this way, why would they? This is often called "street theatre", the description is very close to how it looks.  Only the explanation differs. This system operates on much larger scale, than most of us realize, and this is only clear when we see what implications it has altogether. I know it sounds totally unbelievable, impossible ect …

Just like me, many other targeted individuals never recovered any memories of abuse but did slowly realize the technology has been used on them since childhood remotely without they were aware.    This results in a total collapse of the entire identity and is a highly traumatizing experience, not just recovered "memories" but the entire past, believe system and human history of at least the past decades.  My impression is that it seems the purpose this is going to be public anyway slowly, the increase is too clear and visible in global statistics on suicide rates in middle age for instance, but I don't know what the agenda behind all this is.

All I see a very intelligent strategy is used and it has been well prepared in the past.

 

Please if after reading this, do you understand why I come over and over to the same conclusion this MUST be one and the same thing? And what is your impression from reading this? Does it make sense? Or can this be some new "mental illness"? I would not mind if someone could convince me with any possible rational argument that this is not really happening or explain me from were this may come.

I really hope to hear your reaction; this is going on for so long. , and nobody even considers it to be real. And hardly anybody makes the connections, victims draw the wrong conclusions all the time and that seems to be the purpose of all this. And little academics research alien abductions, or satanic abuse ….In case I can call you let me know were and when, an email reaction is ok too, what ever you prefer. Very Nice Greetings

Monika

 

Monika Stoces

Oudemansstraat 22

2000 Antwerpen

Belgium

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Still one detail one about the sexual manipulation that targeted individuals and alien abductees' experience, this appeared as a new syndrome first reported in 2001…coincidence?

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/culture/waiwai/archive/news/2006/11/20061115p2g00m0dm040000c.html
"Awareness in Japan of PSAS -- which was first documented by Dr. Sandra Leiblum in the United States five years ago -- is growing, especially in the blogsphere, where it is being called Iku Iku byo. Hideo Yamanaka, a doctor at the Toranomon Hibiya Clinic in Tokyo says the disease can be debilitating."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_Genital_Arousal_Disorder
Persistent genital arousal disorder (also known as persistent sexual arousal syndrome or PSAS)

It was  first documented by Dr. Sandra Leiblum in 2001, only recently characterized as a distinct syndrome in medical literature.

 

 

 

 

 

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a central paradigm, comes first. This is followed by "normal science", when scientists attempt to enlarge the central paradigm by "puzzle-solving". Thus, the failure of a result to conform to the paradigm is seen not as refuting the paradigm, but as the mistake of the researcher. As anomalous results build up, science reaches a crisis, at which point a new paradigm, which subsumes the old results along with the anomalous results into one framework, is accepted. This is termed revolutionary science.

Fwd: From Belgium Monika, In my research I come over and over to a logically unavoidable conclusion: this MUST be one and the same thing.

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From: Monika Stoces <monika.stoces@gmail.com>
Date: 2008/11/19
Subject: From Belgium Monika, In my research I come over and over to a logically unavoidable conclusion: this MUST be one and the same thing.
To: Vaughan.Bell@iop.kcl.ac.uk

Dear Dr Vaughn Bell,

you were recently contacted by Gena Brooks, and I am the person she mentioned who researching the issue addressed as mind control electronic harassment and the increasing numbers of websites on this. She is from NewYork so knows English well , but  I am from Belgium, I apologize  my English is not so good.

 

I was happy to find your papers and see your interest in several related and in deed disputed subjects like alien abductions, and your current research on disassociation.

In my research I always stick consequently to the scientific principle of objectivity and

I come over and over to a logically unavoidable conclusion, that the paradox the mind control websites pose to DSM,  is a part of many increasing paradoxes of last decades, to the entire scientific paradigm of twentieth century.  as described by Tomas Kuhn  in The Structure of Scientific Revolutions "In general, science is broken up into three distinct stages. Prescience, which lacks a central paradigm, comes first.  This is followed by "normal science", when scientists attempt to enlarge the central paradigm by "puzzle-solving". Thus, the failure of a result to conform to the paradigm is seen not as refuting the paradigm, but as the mistake of the researcher. As anomalous results build up, science reaches a crisis, at which point a new paradigm, which subsumes the old results along with the anomalous results into one framework, is accepted. This is termed revolutionary science.

 

I do realize how far fetching this statement is, But scientist may agree at one point in time but later discover that this consensus represented a subjective point of view. Science is rather is a social and historical than a logical process.

 

You write in your article on alien abductions "It would certainly be foolish to discount the possibility of anything unlikely, simply because of its improbability", and even if I don't really believe in aliens, I do agree this is the correct approach to anything.

Especially in case a specific explanation is  based on valid scientific reasoning and supported by the facts, even if it contradicts scientific consensus, unavoidably   the best  choice is the theory, that is objective and could ideally be accepted by any subject, because it does not draw on any assumptions, prejudices, or values of particular subjects.This theory should necessarily in the near future be accepted by entire scientific community, and this is what I really believe here is the case. I will try to explain.

 

It is reasonable a paradigm shift will announce itself in an increasing number of inconsistencies and appears as  important academic controversies that have the pattern  that both sides have some points to make, but none of them manages to explain the entire phenomenon completely.

Such controversy in recent decades on" recovered or false memories" is the clearest example of this and the dispute has led to several lawsuits on the different subjects of it, because any kind of consensus seems impossible.

Of course it is very consequent to consider all of these memories on the same way, no matter they refer to alien abduction, satanic ritual abuse or sexual abuse in childhood because they have all the same characteristics, and emerged on large scale at the same moment in the 80 ties, and there for Susan Clancy studied alien abductions to study memory and avoid at the same time the bitter debate on abuse.

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The common sense tells us that something with the same characteristics is the same thing.

The same pattern of course appears in the mind control story, and raises questions you mention in your papers on it in "The presence of social belief formation and the creation of a complex paramedical support network challenges the view of psychosis as globally disabling." Or in the article : Sharing Their Demons on the Web "Some of those now posting on mind-control sites say they are being remotely "sexually stimulated" by their torturers. Some alien abductees had said similar things. Subsequent research generally showed that those who believed they had been abducted were not psychotic, but suffering from severe memory and sleep problems, or personal traumas, Dr. Bell said."

 

This was also mentioned in Washington Post : "Mind Games" 15 01 2007 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/10/AR2007011001399.html

"In her book, Abducted, Harvard psychologist Susan Clancy examines a group that has striking parallels to the TIs: people who believe they've been kidnapped by aliens. The similarities are often uncanny: Would-be abductees describe strange pains, and feelings of being watched or targeted. And although the alleged abductees don't generally have auditory hallucinations, they do sometimes believe that their thoughts are controlled by aliens, or that they've been implanted with advanced technology ] stimulation to their sexual organs (as the TIs describe) or feelings of paranoia..(On the online forum, some TIs posted vociferous objections to the parallel, concerned that the public finds UFOs even weirder than mind control. "It will keep us all marginalized and discredited," one griped.)

 

Dissociation as far as I know in 80 percent associated with hearing voices, compared being only 50 percent for schizophrenia according to DSM and directly linked to alien abductions by "recovered memories

And the similarities are not limited to that, half of the mind control victims are reporting the technology can ……insert false memories,

Manipulation of Memory (forgetting/remembering/screen memories) 70.73%

survey result from china from over 200 targets

Manipulation of Memory (forgetting/remembering/):69.74%

Manipulation of Memory (screen memories, false memories): 43.42%

+ FROM BELGIUM SURVEY over 100 targets

Would this be possible still to be coincidence?

Let's say it would, and look at the group related to dissociation and recovered memories of satanic ritual abuse and the recent survey on this from 2007, and see that half of the responders seem to complain about remote technology used on them ……

RESULTS EXTREME ABUSE SURVEY EAS rapports 2007

http://ritualabuse.us/mindcontrol/eas-studies/torture-based-mind-control-as-a-global-phenomenon/

 Microwave abuse12% 04%

Non-lethal weapons abuse 56% 24%

Electronic harassment 50% 12%

Sleep deprivation 79% 36%
Auto-immune disorders 48%
Sleep problems 93% 75%
Migraine headaches 66% 38%
Fibromyalgia 31% 18%
Posttraumatic stress disorder 93% 70%
Unusual fears 90% 67%

Thyroid problems 31%  20%

Cancer  08%   04%

Seizures with organic basis  27%  16%

.How many similarities can be possibly be coincidental?  On top the subject of the memories seems not only to refer to satanic rituals but to overlap with trauma based mind control"

I got meanwhile in touch with Psychologist Randy Noblit who just wrote a book on the subject

And he described to me the phenomenon he is trying to understand as following: R Noblit : "I mostly work with people who say that they were ritually abused and they are also dissociated. Some of them say that they think they are currently harassed by radio or similar technology, but some of them say there programmed to have this belief by their abuser group, whom they say used radio and radio-like devices during their abuse and programming. "And later "My definition of ritual abuse is similar to what many people also call "trauma based mind control.""

 

Yes in deed this is neceserelly too much to be coincidence,

A sudden sharp rise in incidence in 2000, and a combination in symptoms that are very specific, and don't match any known mental or other illness, and are normally not even related, and all this at the same moment and all around the world, How can that be "imagined" ,?  And indeed just as alien abductees or survivors of satanic ritual abuse, they share the trauma, the sleep deprivation, and even the health problem,

I believe it MUST be the same thing, and even the changes in the DSM, are influenced by this, Scare is that it matches the unexpected suicide rates. It is all in the "patterns" and seems to be "artificial intelligence " , just suppose so, not sure, but sure it is one and the same.

Please could I contact you directly over the phone? Would very much like to speak to you, hope you don't mind. If you could send me a number and when I can call the best , I will do that with pleasure, and would like to a lot.  Kind Greetings Monika 

 

Monika Stoces

Oudemansstraat 22

2000 Anwerpen

Belgium

00 32 (0)3 288 83 20

 

 

 

Question on incidence rate

What is the year you FIRST REALIZED and were FULLY AWARE that you were under attack with remote

manipulation weapons (directed energy - mindcontrol)?

Responses Percent

Before 1980: 2 1.71%

1980: 0  0%

1981: 0  0%

1982: 1  0.85%

1983: 0  0%

1984: 1  0.85%

1985: 1  0.85%

1986: 2  1.71%

1987: 0  0%

1988: 0  0%

1989: 0  0%

1990: 1  0.85%

1991: 1  0.85%

1992: 1  0.85%

1993: 2  1.71%

1994: 2  1.71%

1995: 1  0.85%

1996: 5  4.27%

1997: 3  2.56%

1998: 5  4.27%

1999: 1  0.85%

2000: 3  2.56%

2001: 10 8.55%

2002: 12 10.26%

2003: 5  4.27%

2004: 15 12.82%

2005: 14 11.97%

2006: 12 10.26%

2007: 9  7.69%

2008: 8  6.84%

2009: 0  0%

Total Responded to this question: 117 97.5%

Total who skipped this question: 3 2.5%

Total: 120 100%

TARGETTED INDIVIDUALS RAPORT MAINLY 3 SEPARATE THINGS AND WORLD WIDE

A -Most ti's rapport physical and mental symptoms they experience from the moment the conscious experiencing the technology starts.

Induced Sleep:  71.58%

Sleep Deprivation:  91.58%

Extreme Fatigue:  76.84%

Blurred Vision:  60%

Fibromyalgia:  16.84%

Autoimmune Disorders (lupus scleroderma,):  10.53%

Sensations of pain in internal organs:  62.11%

Sensations of pain in backbone, arms, legs, muscles:  68.42%

Numbness and tingling, parenthesis, loss of sensation:  66.32%

Muscle Cramps, spasms, tension:  71.58%

Sudden Headaches: 68.42%

Irregular Heartbeat:  63.16%

Tooth Pain: 58.95%

Diarrhoea:  56.84%

Sensation of Electric Current Running through the Body:  58.95%

Induced thoughts, telepathic communication, and messages.  71.58%

Dream Manipulation:  75.79%

Artificial Emotions (induced fear, anger, shame, joy, hate, sadness):  70.53%

Sudden unexpected sexual arousal:  64.21%

Genital Manipulation: 62.11%

Manipulation of Memory (forgetting/remembering/):  72.63%

Manipulation of Memory (screen memories, false memories):  43.16%

Underlined typical or interesting ones

B  -Most ti's rapport interception of mail, interception and alteration of telecommunications, telephone and internet communications and dysfunctions of all kind of electronic devices and cars electronic.

Did you experience Hacking or Tampering with electronic devices? What kind of problems or devices?

Responses Percent

Computer Error messages:  73.81%

Mail problems:  75%

Telephone connections home:  59.52%

Cell phone problems:  54.76%

Personal messages over computer, TV or cell phones?:  51.19%

Bankcard Problems:  40.48%

Car Electronics problems:  42.86%

If other, please specify:  38.1%

Total Responded to this question:  84.85%

C  -Most ti's experience "Organized stalking, which they explain in a few possible ways"

the Survey for remotely targeted individuals questions about organized stalking,

11. Do you experience so called "organized" stalking?

Responses Percent

Yes: 80.85%

No: 19.15%

Additional Comments: 34.04%

Total Responded to this question: 94.95%

Total who skipped this question:  5.05%

12. Your personal opinion about organized stalking

Responses Percent

People are manipulated and influenced remotely without that they know about the technology. 12.36% (far fetching implications ofcourse )

People and  groups actively participate in the harassment and aware of the technology being in use. 21.35%

Some people around me are "organized" to stalk me, possibly paid to do so.: 14.61%

Both cases are possible, some people are manipulated, some consciously aware and involved: 51.69%

Total Responded to this question:  89.9%

Total who skipped this question:  10.1%

Total:  100%

13. IN CASE YOU DO experience organized stalking did it start for you :

Responses Percent

Before becoming aware of the Electronic Sensations.: 60.76%

At the same moment as the electronic sensations: 21.52%

After the electronic sensations: 10.13%

I never experienced any electronic sensations that I know: 7.59%

Total Responded to this question:  79.8%

Total who skipped this question:  20.2%

Total:  100%

 

Those tree things (nearly) always go together on the entire planet without the people knowing about each other and suddenly in 2000 on every continent a sudden increase in numbers of new targeted victims a year occurs, and this continues like this, year after year, until the present. 

This should at least raise the question how the complaints possibly can be unrelated

 

THIS POINTS TO LONG TIME ALREADY IN IN USE

Once you realized consciously the technological effects,  did you think this was going on BEFORE  you became aware of it and how long was it going on?

No:  10.42%

I did not think of it or i don't know at all .:  10.42%

Yes at least one year:  17.71%

Yes at least 5 years:  11.46%

Yes at least 10 years:  7.29%

Yes at least 15 years:  4.17%

Longer than 15 years: 3.12%

Since Childhood:  16.67%

Yes it was going on, but i don't know for sure how long.:  18.75%

Total Responded to this question: 96.97%

Total who skipped this question:  3.03%

What is the kind of school-study you have done:

Basic school education.  9.47%

Specific professional education or.  8.42%

Middle school:  2.11%

High School:  15.79%

University: 57.89%

Doctorate:  6.32%

Total Responded to this question: 95.96%

Total who skipped this question: 4.04%

How you would describe this experience?

Extreme crimes on humanity.  83.33%

Totally negative for future of human race.  62.5%

This must stop it is criminal.  82.29%

A challenge for Humanity:  38.54%

Possible help for Humanity:  10.42%

Extreme Torture without anything positive.: 63.54%

A shock, traumatizing, scary but sometimes pleasant or interesting.: 21.88%

Glad to be aware of what is going on so its not a secret anymore to me.:  50%

Total Responded to this question: 96.97%

Total who skipped this question: 3.03%

SUSPECTING SPECIFIC PEOPLE

Do you think you know who is using the technology on you?

Responses Percent

Yes:  69.15%

No:  30.85%

Additional Comments:  56.38%

Total Responded to this question: 94.95%

Total who skipped this question: 5.05%

Age is around 40

 

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www.fedame.org
www.mindcontrol-victims.eu
In The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, Kuhn argued that science does not progress via a linear accumulation of new knowledge,  but undergoes periodic revolutions, also called "paradigm shifts" , in which the nature of scientific inquiry within a particular field is abruptly transformed. In general, science is broken up into three distinct stages. Prescience, which lacks
a central paradigm, comes first. This is followed by "normal science", when scientists attempt to enlarge the central paradigm by "puzzle-solving". Thus, the failure of a result to conform to the paradigm is seen not as refuting the paradigm, but as the mistake of the researcher. As anomalous results build up, science reaches a crisis, at which point a new paradigm, which subsumes the old results along with the anomalous results into one framework, is accepted. This is termed revolutionary science.